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No, it's easy to misunderstand what makes a functional, prosperous economy. People need to have the capacity to find things. Today we have the internet, and s

No, it's easy to misunderstand what makes a functional, prosperous economy. People need to have the capacity to find things. Today we have the internet, and search engines. If people want something, they can look. In this way, all parties consent, otherwise advertisements are harassment.

rangerelf 2y ago
> In this way, all parties consent, otherwise advertisements are harassment. ABSOLUTELY this. Advertisements use MY bandwidth, MY compute resources, MY time, MY space, to harass me by showing me things I have zero interest in, all the while interrupting what I'm doing, distracting me, and then having the gall to tell me "but think of the poor publishers!!". They have caused the appearance of an industry that's a pox on all ("influencers") who behave like society owes them the space, time, attention and deference that for whatever reason they think they need. And for a cherry on top, it makes everything more expensive because WE pay for all of it.
- dekken_ 2y ago
  I think we agree ;) Thinking about advertiser bytes on my ethernet cables, makes me feel, compromised. I did not consent. It must end.
AnimalMuppet 2y ago
> People need to have the capacity to find things. There's a previous step: People need to know that there is such a thing to find. Some advertising (I'll call it "base" advertising, though there may be a better term) is just information. "Hey, everybody, there's this new thing called a mobile phone!" "Hey, everybody, there's this new disease called AIDS that you really had better alter your behavior to avoid, because it's deadly." There's a second kind, which I will call "us" advertising: "Hey, everybody, we have the best mobile phones! Available now at WalMart!" We don't need the second kind, at all. I'm not sure, but I suspect the first kind is at least somewhat useful. (You can still probably call it harassment, though. Useful, but still harassment.)
- dekken_ 2y ago
  > People need to know that there is such a thing to find. IMO, finding things, also covers not being aware it existed. Like you're on amazon searching for something, and they suggest something you might also like, they don't know if you knew about it already. That's fine, still both parties consenting.
- GeoAtreides 2y ago
  You're missing the largest advertising: lifestyle advertising. It's not "hey everybody, we have the best mobile phone", it's "You will be cool, women will want you, success awaits you with our mobile phone".
- fragmede 2y ago
  The second kind is still information though. Where do they sell mobile phones? At the grocers? At the butcher shop? At the dress shop? At the shoe store? If I had a small store that wasn't Walmart, and wanted people to come to my store that sells cellphones, isn't it also informative to know that my store exists and that I sell cellphones? It's only because people already know about Walmart and that it's an everything store that makes your example seem like it's not informative.

rangerelf 2y ago

> In this way, all parties consent, otherwise advertisements are harassment. ABSOLUTELY this. Advertisements use MY bandwidth, MY compute resources, MY time, MY space, to harass me by showing me things I have zero interest in, all the while interrupting what I'm doing, distracting me, and then having the gall to tell me "but think of the poor publishers!!". They have caused the appearance of an industry that's a pox on all ("influencers") who behave like society owes them the space, time, attention and deference that for whatever reason they think they need. And for a cherry on top, it makes everything more expensive because WE pay for all of it.

dekken_ 2y ago
I think we agree ;) Thinking about advertiser bytes on my ethernet cables, makes me feel, compromised. I did not consent. It must end.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago

> People need to have the capacity to find things. There's a previous step: People need to know that there is such a thing to find. Some advertising (I'll call it "base" advertising, though there may be a better term) is just information. "Hey, everybody, there's this new thing called a mobile phone!" "Hey, everybody, there's this new disease called AIDS that you really had better alter your behavior to avoid, because it's deadly." There's a second kind, which I will call "us" advertising: "Hey, everybody, we have the best mobile phones! Available now at WalMart!" We don't need the second kind, at all. I'm not sure, but I suspect the first kind is at least somewhat useful. (You can still probably call it harassment, though. Useful, but still harassment.)

dekken_ 2y ago
> People need to know that there is such a thing to find. IMO, finding things, also covers not being aware it existed. Like you're on amazon searching for something, and they suggest something you might also like, they don't know if you knew about it already. That's fine, still both parties consenting.
GeoAtreides 2y ago
You're missing the largest advertising: lifestyle advertising. It's not "hey everybody, we have the best mobile phone", it's "You will be cool, women will want you, success awaits you with our mobile phone".
fragmede 2y ago
The second kind is still information though. Where do they sell mobile phones? At the grocers? At the butcher shop? At the dress shop? At the shoe store? If I had a small store that wasn't Walmart, and wanted people to come to my store that sells cellphones, isn't it also informative to know that my store exists and that I sell cellphones? It's only because people already know about Walmart and that it's an everything store that makes your example seem like it's not informative.