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Pro move: buy this data and make a torrent of it. Then we can all analyze what they are collecting and can improve the visibility this issue gets. We really n

Pro move: buy this data and make a torrent of it. Then we can all analyze what they are collecting and can improve the visibility this issue gets. We really need better privacy laws in the US but laws can't move as fast as the tech sector does. What company do I need to goto to buy this data?

j-bos 2y ago
I've been thinking something similar, howuch would it cost for individuals to have what used to be high tech always on spy gadgetry. Shouldn't be prohibitively expensive, but what would be the consequences of everyone having instant dossiers on everyone else?
mplewis 2y ago
I appreciate where you’re coming from, but making all of this data public would immediately and directly endanger many people, e.g. women trying to stay hidden from abusive ex-partners.
pyrale 2y ago
There's actual risk that this "pro move" harms or kills people. fucking around and finding out is much less commendable when you fuck around with other people's lives and let them find out.
- Teever 2y ago
  Any action has consequences. Both positive and negative, desirable and undesirable. It's about the balance between those things. It's totally possible that this action could result in someone uncovering a serial killer or organized crime ring. This could save lives. Why are you opposed to an action that could save lives and bring about desperately needed changes in privacy laws?
  - pyrale 2y ago
    I don't believe it's your choice to make if you're not the one suffering the consequences. Or, as Alan Perlis puts it: "Don't have good ideas it you're not willing to be responsible for them".
    - Teever 2y ago
      Is what is being suggested illegal or legal? If it's legal it is so my choice to make. If you don't like it lobby to make it illegal.
JohnFen 2y ago
I don't think you can effectively fight bad people by acting like a bad person.
- Teever 2y ago
  But you can. We see this all the time when someoe hurts another person to stop them from hurting another person. It's codified in the law. Whether or not you're doing a bad thing isn't determined just by the nature of your action but also by your intention.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    > when someoe hurts a other person to stop them from hurting another person That's not acting like a bad person, though. In the context of this discussion, acting like a bad person is intentionally harming victims in order to harm the entity that did the victimizing.
    - Teever 2y ago
      No, the intention is to change the law so that this kind of thing is no longer possible so that fewer people will be victimized in this way.
rasz 2y ago
It will take a judge/major politicians car traced to a mistress house to solve this issue. Its the continuation of https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/01/california-privacy-agency-connected-cars/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/01/california-privacy-agency-... https://gbhackers.com/toyota-data-breach/ https://gbhackers.com/toyota-data-breach/ "The in-vehicle GPS navigation terminal ID number / The chassis number / Vehicle location information with time data." Toyota = Lexus = a lot of politicians and their families.
- a3n 2y ago
  This is why senators give a damn. They see right away it touches them, and they want to do something about it right away.

j-bos 2y ago

I've been thinking something similar, howuch would it cost for individuals to have what used to be high tech always on spy gadgetry. Shouldn't be prohibitively expensive, but what would be the consequences of everyone having instant dossiers on everyone else?

mplewis 2y ago

I appreciate where you’re coming from, but making all of this data public would immediately and directly endanger many people, e.g. women trying to stay hidden from abusive ex-partners.

pyrale 2y ago

There's actual risk that this "pro move" harms or kills people. fucking around and finding out is much less commendable when you fuck around with other people's lives and let them find out.

Teever 2y ago
Any action has consequences. Both positive and negative, desirable and undesirable. It's about the balance between those things. It's totally possible that this action could result in someone uncovering a serial killer or organized crime ring. This could save lives. Why are you opposed to an action that could save lives and bring about desperately needed changes in privacy laws?
- pyrale 2y ago
  I don't believe it's your choice to make if you're not the one suffering the consequences. Or, as Alan Perlis puts it: "Don't have good ideas it you're not willing to be responsible for them".
  - Teever 2y ago
    Is what is being suggested illegal or legal? If it's legal it is so my choice to make. If you don't like it lobby to make it illegal.

JohnFen 2y ago

I don't think you can effectively fight bad people by acting like a bad person.

Teever 2y ago
But you can. We see this all the time when someoe hurts another person to stop them from hurting another person. It's codified in the law. Whether or not you're doing a bad thing isn't determined just by the nature of your action but also by your intention.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  > when someoe hurts a other person to stop them from hurting another person That's not acting like a bad person, though. In the context of this discussion, acting like a bad person is intentionally harming victims in order to harm the entity that did the victimizing.
  - Teever 2y ago
    No, the intention is to change the law so that this kind of thing is no longer possible so that fewer people will be victimized in this way.

rasz 2y ago

It will take a judge/major politicians car traced to a mistress house to solve this issue. Its the continuation of https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/01/california-privacy-agency-connected-cars/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/01/california-privacy-agency-... https://gbhackers.com/toyota-data-breach/ https://gbhackers.com/toyota-data-breach/ "The in-vehicle GPS navigation terminal ID number / The chassis number / Vehicle location information with time data." Toyota = Lexus = a lot of politicians and their families.

a3n 2y ago
This is why senators give a damn. They see right away it touches them, and they want to do something about it right away.