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Your dream sounds like a nightmare. I can only imagine what it would be like for the very elderly or anybody on crutches. Cars are very convenient and rapidly

Your dream sounds like a nightmare. I can only imagine what it would be like for the very elderly or anybody on crutches. Cars are very convenient and rapidly developing countries more populous than any European country have been embracing them as their economies grow richer for a reason.

wiether 2y ago
> Add car sharing, better public transportation Ah yes, the _very elderly or anybody on crutches_... the people who have more to gain from using good public transportation than having to drive a two tons vehicle on streets filled with living kids.
- AlchemistCamp 2y ago
  Seven of my eight great grandparents were still alive while I was in high school and two of them lived with us. We didn't make them drive. We drove them to restaurants, church events, doctors, etc. When I drove my great grandmother to a restaurant as a teenager in Colorado, I'd park right by the restaurant in a handicapped spot, grab her walker from the back seat and help her hobble into her favorite restaurant. It was a meaningful part of her week in later years. There's absolutely no way it would have been feasible on public transit, even if we'd had the world-class 2024 Taipei Metro I regularly use now.
  - Barrin92 2y ago
    When I lived in Tokyo and in Japan in general I saw old people walk all the time. In fact the irony is, they are the ones that need to walk most. Physical inactivity accelerates senescence. Only young people can get away with not walking. Of course there's extremely ill people and when it comes to transport policies there's always exceptions for that kind of commute, but the approach to elderly mobility right now is completely backwards. We should be encouraging modes of transport that keeps the elderly moving and autonomous.
    - macintux 2y ago
      I live in a neighborhood with a fair share of 50+ adults, and there are no sidewalks leaving the neighborhood, and few in the area. I could walk to the grocery store, I could walk to a convenience store, but I can't do so safely. I'd be thrilled if we started making sidewalks a reality.
skeaker 2y ago
Why would they have issues? Cars in the posited scenario aren't banned
- AlchemistCamp 2y ago
  The comment I replied to included, "also ban parking of cars in neighborhoods and most car traffic". Read my sibling comment and the issues should be very clear.
  - skeaker 2y ago
    The part you quoted doesn't say cars are banned... Banning roadside parking in neighborhoods is already done in many places pretty commonly and it's fine. "Most car traffic" is vague but implies that those in need would still have their cars.
snowfield 2y ago
It's actually better. Because disabled parking is still a thing. Also you can easily find a parking space, because it's somewhat expensive. But that means I can go downtown on a Saturday, easily find parking for a few hours, do my shit and drive home. Yes it costs 10-15usd for 2 hours of parking. But that's a small price to pay. Reducing everyone's ability to drive greatly increases the people who actually need to drives ability to do so.

wiether 2y ago

> Add car sharing, better public transportation Ah yes, the _very elderly or anybody on crutches_... the people who have more to gain from using good public transportation than having to drive a two tons vehicle on streets filled with living kids.

AlchemistCamp 2y ago
Seven of my eight great grandparents were still alive while I was in high school and two of them lived with us. We didn't make them drive. We drove them to restaurants, church events, doctors, etc. When I drove my great grandmother to a restaurant as a teenager in Colorado, I'd park right by the restaurant in a handicapped spot, grab her walker from the back seat and help her hobble into her favorite restaurant. It was a meaningful part of her week in later years. There's absolutely no way it would have been feasible on public transit, even if we'd had the world-class 2024 Taipei Metro I regularly use now.
- Barrin92 2y ago
  When I lived in Tokyo and in Japan in general I saw old people walk all the time. In fact the irony is, they are the ones that need to walk most. Physical inactivity accelerates senescence. Only young people can get away with not walking. Of course there's extremely ill people and when it comes to transport policies there's always exceptions for that kind of commute, but the approach to elderly mobility right now is completely backwards. We should be encouraging modes of transport that keeps the elderly moving and autonomous.
  - macintux 2y ago
    I live in a neighborhood with a fair share of 50+ adults, and there are no sidewalks leaving the neighborhood, and few in the area. I could walk to the grocery store, I could walk to a convenience store, but I can't do so safely. I'd be thrilled if we started making sidewalks a reality.

skeaker 2y ago

Why would they have issues? Cars in the posited scenario aren't banned

AlchemistCamp 2y ago
The comment I replied to included, "also ban parking of cars in neighborhoods and most car traffic". Read my sibling comment and the issues should be very clear.
- skeaker 2y ago
  The part you quoted doesn't say cars are banned... Banning roadside parking in neighborhoods is already done in many places pretty commonly and it's fine. "Most car traffic" is vague but implies that those in need would still have their cars.

snowfield 2y ago

It's actually better. Because disabled parking is still a thing. Also you can easily find a parking space, because it's somewhat expensive. But that means I can go downtown on a Saturday, easily find parking for a few hours, do my shit and drive home. Yes it costs 10-15usd for 2 hours of parking. But that's a small price to pay. Reducing everyone's ability to drive greatly increases the people who actually need to drives ability to do so.