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It's Russia who escalated, though. If they chose a path of co-operation and friendly trade instead of trying to enslave their neighbours, then they would be all
by weweersdfsd 2y ago
It's Russia who escalated, though. If they chose a path of co-operation and friendly trade instead of trying to enslave their neighbours, then they would be allowed to compete in the olympics.
Of course the real problem is that it's ordinary Russians who bear the suffering caused by their own government, while the ruling elite enjoys luxurious lifestyle no matter what sanctions Europe and US do. The solution would be making life difficult for the oligarchy, but that would probably require measures West isn't willing to employ, because they would be illegal under international law (which Russia doesn't care about).
- surfingdino 2y agoEven if they choose a friendly path no one will believe them. They would need to change their political class and write into their constitution clauses that punish any attack on their neighbours or even calling for such an attack as high treason. That would be a good start, but I have a feeling they are going to try to keep everything as is.
- thriftwy 2y agoIt is you who is trying to weaponize everything else, including the Olympics movement. It was your choice to make Olympics political and full of military messages, and then you act surprised when they start blowing up in your hands. You did not have to weaponize everything yet you did.
- weweersdfsd 2y agoYou didn't have to invade Ukraine, yet you did. Besides, it's not like Russia keeps sports and politics separate. They don't, they never have. Why do you think state-sponsored doping has historically been big in Russia and Soviet Union? Obviously, because sports is an important vector of propaganda for the state.
- crabbone 2y agoJust a reminder: the historical spirit of Olympics required to stop all wars for the games. The reason for not admitting someone to participate in the games is that they don't act in the Olympic spirit.
- thriftwy 2y ago2020 was actually sufficient for hostile actions to be taken and the hot war just didn't start yet. I don't see this historical spirit being applied in the century XXI against anybody besides Russia. And it's not like there is no wars. You are trying to frame escalations into some legalistic framework, but it only works domestically. Internationally, it is "you punch us, we punch you, we stab you, you stab us". No empty words are necessary and may cause additional violence in response.
- crabbone 2y agoSince Sochi Olympics, Russian athletes were consistently banned for doping and for their country's starting wars. Russia didn't change anything in this regard. I don't see why these Olympics should be any different.
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- bjord 2y agowhat exactly are you arguing? russians should be allowed to keep doping and everyone should look the other way?
- thriftwy 2y agoI am arguing that doping never had anything to do with the issue and it was a political lash at Russia from the start. A successful attempt to use the built influence to smear the olympic shirt. If your due process sucked, tough shit, don't fall for it next time, deal with the fallout on case to case basis. What you certainly should not do is to accuse a whole country of breaking your wee little rules, and try to punish that whole country. It is an lasting insult and a serious international escalation. It is not even remotely in proportion with the weight of IOC in the grand scheme of things.
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- immibis 2y ago[flagged]