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Yeah but this is more like "plan a minor disturbance of a high profile event. Get caught and galvanize the public to arm your enemies." It doesn't erode trust
by netcan 2y ago
Yeah but this is more like "plan a minor disturbance of a high profile event. Get caught and galvanize the public to arm your enemies."
It doesn't erode trust in the western system.
- baq 2y agoThis one was exceptional in every way. There are tens if not hundreds of examples in which they managed to not be so completely drunk to fail multiple times.
- mistermann 2y agoHow do you distinguish between ones that are actually Russia and ones that are only asserted or implied to be Russia? Or do you?
- baq 2y agoSometimes the authorities find out, especially if it's a big fire of an ammo depot or a nerve agent wet job. Sometimes there is only circumstantial evidence. Sometimes you get used to it and you know it's them again.
- mistermann 2y ago> Sometimes you get used to it and you know it's them again. You are using the colloquial versions of "know", and "is".
- baq 2y agoYes, of course. You're taking what I've written out of context.
- mistermann 2y agoThe context: I asked you a precise question about your claim, you answered it in the way you chose to. You are welcome to clarify if you'd like.
- baq 2y agoWon’t be doing your googling for you today, I’m very sorry.
- mistermann 2y agoI believe this is in play: https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Shifting-of-the-Burden-of-Proof https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Shiftin... Do you disagree?
- toyg 2y agoThe "get caught" part often doesn't happen. And even if they do get caught, as long as the main objective is achieved, it can be promoted as a show of strength so that next time the victims will play ball even before force is applied. It's the mafia style, everyone knows who whacked whom.
- netcan 2y agoI don't see how this shows strength.
- toyg 2y agoNot everyone can pull off "a massive attack on a large scale to paralyse the TGV network" (literal quote from the rail operator). It's brutish, but it's a form of strength - like a mafia bully burning down your flower shop because you refused to pay.
- Modified3019 2y agoWhich is fine and expected, the goal here isn’t to impress you. You have to look at this from the perspective of deeply broken people, full of malice and hardcore narcissism. Even if sabotage fails, they pat themselves on the back, rejoicing that they’ve increased paranoia and confusion, and start planning the next attack. And if it provokes a response from their would be victims that results in Russian goals somewhere being ruined, they cry crocodile tears for pity and make themselves out to be martyrs, and plan the next attack. There are many humans in this world with thoughts and motivations that are completely alien to others.
- lesuorac 2y agoI mean if you gave an American the option between say NK and USA they'll probably chose USA. However, if you just omit a comparison and ask them if they trust the USA they'll probably say no. That's the cleverness of this. You aren't trying to convince them that Russia is better. You're just trying to convince them that USA is failing compared to its previous self. https://news.gallup.com/poll/508169/historically-low-faith-institutions-continues.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/508169/historically-low-faith-i...
- consumer451 2y agoAccording to their history of attacks on individuals, grand strategic logic often lags behind their desire for petty revenge. The government of France denied Russia's standing in this Olympics. This is simple reprisal.