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> I'd be very interested to see how France responds. Nuking Moscow would of course be too much No evidence to be shown of Russia's involvement in this, but le

> I'd be very interested to see how France responds. Nuking Moscow would of course be too much No evidence to be shown of Russia's involvement in this, but let's mention a nuclear escalation. This is absolutely delirious. I hope the people who actually take decision are just a tiny bit more level-headed than you are.

sofixa 2y ago
> No evidence to be shown of Russia's involvement in this Only it fits their modus operandi perfectly, they were caught in similar acts all around Europe, Russian operatives were arrested in France as recently as last week (and a few weeks prior there was a guy who burned himself with chemicals trying to build a bomb in his hotel room), and a russian operative was arrested in Bulgaria yesterday bragging about Russian plans to disrupt the Olympics. It's hard to imagine anyone else being involved. Of course there will be a thorough investigation.
- ossobuco 2y ago
  Hard for you maybe. Israel is already calling it an act of sabotage by Iran.
  - sofixa 2y ago
    Without any proof, while France has literally arrested multiple Russians in France preparing for sabotage.
    - ossobuco 2y ago
      There you go[0]. French activists are behind this, not Russian agents. Maybe next time, before you incite for a WWIII, cool your head and think? Luckily the french government isn't as out of control as the average HNer/redditor, or we'd all be hiding underground by now. Mind, these are anarchists we're talking about, and I assure you anarchists absolutely despise Russia and even the USSR. So think twice before going about some wild theory about these activists being paid by Russia. As an aside note, I find the "ULTRA-left" nomenclature to be ridiculous. - [0]: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20240729-far-left-extremists-likely-behind-france-rail-sabotage-minister-says https://www.france24.com/en/france/20240729-far-left-extremi...
      - sofixa 2y ago
        "likely", says the pretty right-leaning Minister of Interior, without providing any proof. > think It still makes the most sense for Russia to be behind this. It might not be them, or it might just be them sponsoring an internal group, too early to know. But they make by far the most sense.
        ossobuco 2y ago
        > It still makes the most sense for Russia to be behind this You, other HNers and the whole of Reddit prove the opposite. If this sabotage was performed by Russia it would be the perfect justification to reinvigorate military support to Ukraine, in spite of a growing tiredness of the European public with the war. So really who has the most to benefit here would be the faction that wants the war to continue until Ukraine can obtain a victory.
        sofixa 2y ago
        > So really who has the most to benefit here would be the faction that wants the war to continue until Ukraine can obtain a victory. You mean the normal people, right? > You, other HNers and the whole of Reddit prove the opposite. If this sabotage was performed by Russia it would be the perfect justification to reinvigorate military support to Ukraine, in spite of a growing tiredness of the European public with the war. Just like all other Russian sabotages, including a murder plot against a CEO, burning warehouses and factories all across Europe?
        ossobuco 2y ago
        > You mean the normal people, right? "55% of EU citizens agree with providing weapons to Ukraine, even though data indicate a downward trend in support for this measure over time"[0] If you draw the line with being normal at supporting Ukraine or not, then I'm afraid 45% of Europeans aren't normal anymore, and the number is growing. Must be pretty expensive for Russia to pay 200 milions of spies/trolls. - [0]: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/files/be-heard/eurobarometer/2022/public-opinion-on-the-war-in-ukraine/en-public-opinion-on-the-war-against-ukraine-20240223.pdf https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/files/be-hear...
rightbyte 2y ago
Threads like this are ... really scary. Way more scary than the actual acts. I sometimes wonder if I am out of touch with the zeitgaist or these people are just brigading trolls.

sofixa 2y ago

> No evidence to be shown of Russia's involvement in this Only it fits their modus operandi perfectly, they were caught in similar acts all around Europe, Russian operatives were arrested in France as recently as last week (and a few weeks prior there was a guy who burned himself with chemicals trying to build a bomb in his hotel room), and a russian operative was arrested in Bulgaria yesterday bragging about Russian plans to disrupt the Olympics. It's hard to imagine anyone else being involved. Of course there will be a thorough investigation.

ossobuco 2y ago
Hard for you maybe. Israel is already calling it an act of sabotage by Iran.
- sofixa 2y ago
  Without any proof, while France has literally arrested multiple Russians in France preparing for sabotage.
  - ossobuco 2y ago
    There you go[0]. French activists are behind this, not Russian agents. Maybe next time, before you incite for a WWIII, cool your head and think? Luckily the french government isn't as out of control as the average HNer/redditor, or we'd all be hiding underground by now. Mind, these are anarchists we're talking about, and I assure you anarchists absolutely despise Russia and even the USSR. So think twice before going about some wild theory about these activists being paid by Russia. As an aside note, I find the "ULTRA-left" nomenclature to be ridiculous. - [0]: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20240729-far-left-extremists-likely-behind-france-rail-sabotage-minister-says https://www.france24.com/en/france/20240729-far-left-extremi...
    - sofixa 2y ago
      "likely", says the pretty right-leaning Minister of Interior, without providing any proof. > think It still makes the most sense for Russia to be behind this. It might not be them, or it might just be them sponsoring an internal group, too early to know. But they make by far the most sense.
      - ossobuco 2y ago
        > It still makes the most sense for Russia to be behind this You, other HNers and the whole of Reddit prove the opposite. If this sabotage was performed by Russia it would be the perfect justification to reinvigorate military support to Ukraine, in spite of a growing tiredness of the European public with the war. So really who has the most to benefit here would be the faction that wants the war to continue until Ukraine can obtain a victory.
        sofixa 2y ago
        > So really who has the most to benefit here would be the faction that wants the war to continue until Ukraine can obtain a victory. You mean the normal people, right? > You, other HNers and the whole of Reddit prove the opposite. If this sabotage was performed by Russia it would be the perfect justification to reinvigorate military support to Ukraine, in spite of a growing tiredness of the European public with the war. Just like all other Russian sabotages, including a murder plot against a CEO, burning warehouses and factories all across Europe?
        ossobuco 2y ago
        > You mean the normal people, right? "55% of EU citizens agree with providing weapons to Ukraine, even though data indicate a downward trend in support for this measure over time"[0] If you draw the line with being normal at supporting Ukraine or not, then I'm afraid 45% of Europeans aren't normal anymore, and the number is growing. Must be pretty expensive for Russia to pay 200 milions of spies/trolls. - [0]: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/files/be-heard/eurobarometer/2022/public-opinion-on-the-war-in-ukraine/en-public-opinion-on-the-war-against-ukraine-20240223.pdf https://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/files/be-hear...

rightbyte 2y ago

Threads like this are ... really scary. Way more scary than the actual acts. I sometimes wonder if I am out of touch with the zeitgaist or these people are just brigading trolls.