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> It's also pretty clearly Russia's style. Arson attacks are actually an extremely French phenomenon, over 1000 cars are often torched a night on New Years Eve

> It's also pretty clearly Russia's style. Arson attacks are actually an extremely French phenomenon, over 1000 cars are often torched a night on New Years Eve >but this sort of escalation cannot be left unchecked Some of us would rather not die in a world war because a sports event was mildly disrupted

ossobuco 2y ago
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- raverbashing 2y ago
  I doubt Dang has the bandwidth to keep an eye on coordinated actions on HN but it is something interesting to observe
  - swat535 2y ago
    What exactly is Dang supposed to do here ? Ban people who don’t desire further escalation towards a nuclear war whom you label as “Russian apologists”..?
- sofixa 2y ago
  I agree, there are tons of Russian apologists (at best, but let's assume best intentions) around here.
  - ossobuco 2y ago
    Apologists of what? There is no evidence that this was done by Russia, so nothing to apologize really. How far gone do you have to be to call "Russian apologists" people who are horrified at calls for a nuclear war?
    - sofixa 2y ago
      There are no calls for nuclear war. And it's wild to call warmongers people who want action to stop appeasement of the warmonger on the global stage, Russia. There is plenty circumstantial evidence Russia was behind this, and they're the only ones that make sense. I've listed tons of it in sibling comments, but just the fact that multiple Russians were arrested in the past few weeks plotting against the olympics, including a guy who set himself on fire with chemicals in his hotel rooms, it's obvious Russia wants to cause disruptions. We'll see when the results of the investigation come out, but when they do say Russia, what do you think an appropriate answer would be?
      - ossobuco 2y ago
        > the warmonger on the global stage, Russia Disagree. There are several warmongers on the global stage, Russia is just one of them. Appeasement is a word pointlessly thrown around by people who don't uderstand history. > There is plenty circumstantial evidence Russia was behind this I have no intention of starting world war III on the basis of circumstantial evidence. If we operated like this then half of Europe should be hostile to Ukraine over circumstantial evidence that they destroyed north stream 2. > but when they do say Russia, what do you think an appropriate answer would be? There's only one answer that doesn't end in an escalation and stops all hostile acts from all parts at once. Find a compromise for peace. Stop the posturing and find a damn compromise. I have a feeling this war is mostly going on because both sides have gone too far with their statements and it would be a political suicide to backtrack on what was said.
        sofixa 2y ago
        > Appeasement is a word pointlessly thrown around by people who don't uderstand history. I would say appeasement is the approach taken by people who don't understand history. Putin has been appeased for decades (Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine 2014 and 2022). How did that work out? It didn't, he just kept escalating. > Find a compromise for peace. Stop the posturing and find a damn compromise. How do you find a compromise with a robber and rapist? If someone comes to your home, rapes you, and says your home has always been theirs and you're fake, what sort of compromise would you find with them? And for the record yes, Russian troops are looting, raping, and enacting a genocide (if nothing else they've proudly said they've kidnapped hundreds of thousands of kids for reeducation which is in the literal definition of genocide).
    - supplied_demand 2y ago
      Russia (Putin) is the only one I have seen talking about or threatening nuclear war. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-ready-nuclear-war-not-everything-rushing-it-2024-03-13/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-ready...
TMWNN 2y ago
>Arson attacks are actually an extremely French phenomenon, over 1000 cars are often torched a night on New Years Eve Highly relevant: TIL that during the 2005 French riots, up to 1408 cars were burned per night across the country. The government declared that the riots had ended when, after three weeks of chaos, only 98 cars were burned per night ("return to a normal situation everywhere in France"). <https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4i50p8/til_that_during_the_2005_french_riots_up_to_1408/ https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4i50p8/til_th...>
- sofixa 2y ago
  > highly relevant > 2005 Explain how are singular events from 2005 "highly relevant"?
seszett 2y ago
> Arson attacks are actually an extremely French phenomenon, over 1000 cars are often torched a night on New Years Eve As far as I can tell it happened twice, 19 years ago and 4 years ago. I wouldn't call it a "common" occurrence. Now, 1000 cars or 700 cars doesn't mean much, one would have to compare it to the amount of cars in France. For example, more than 150 000 cars burn each year in the US (probably not just arson, but it's not my point) which is 500 per day on average. But there are more cars in the US than in France.
funwares 2y ago
I doubt these planned and coordinated attacks on infrastructure are carried out by the same individuals that opportunistically burn cars during New Years Eve.
xjm 2y ago
Though burning random cars might be French, we are talking here about arson with precise strategic targets (although I'm not staying this is more Russia's style)
throwaway74354 2y ago
>Arson attacks are actually an extremely French phenomenon Thanks to the power of art, it can be Russian and French at the same time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Pavlensky#Lighting_(2017) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Pavlensky#Lighting_(2017)

ossobuco 2y ago

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raverbashing 2y ago
I doubt Dang has the bandwidth to keep an eye on coordinated actions on HN but it is something interesting to observe
- swat535 2y ago
  What exactly is Dang supposed to do here ? Ban people who don’t desire further escalation towards a nuclear war whom you label as “Russian apologists”..?
sofixa 2y ago
I agree, there are tons of Russian apologists (at best, but let's assume best intentions) around here.
- ossobuco 2y ago
  Apologists of what? There is no evidence that this was done by Russia, so nothing to apologize really. How far gone do you have to be to call "Russian apologists" people who are horrified at calls for a nuclear war?
  - sofixa 2y ago
    There are no calls for nuclear war. And it's wild to call warmongers people who want action to stop appeasement of the warmonger on the global stage, Russia. There is plenty circumstantial evidence Russia was behind this, and they're the only ones that make sense. I've listed tons of it in sibling comments, but just the fact that multiple Russians were arrested in the past few weeks plotting against the olympics, including a guy who set himself on fire with chemicals in his hotel rooms, it's obvious Russia wants to cause disruptions. We'll see when the results of the investigation come out, but when they do say Russia, what do you think an appropriate answer would be?
    - ossobuco 2y ago
      > the warmonger on the global stage, Russia Disagree. There are several warmongers on the global stage, Russia is just one of them. Appeasement is a word pointlessly thrown around by people who don't uderstand history. > There is plenty circumstantial evidence Russia was behind this I have no intention of starting world war III on the basis of circumstantial evidence. If we operated like this then half of Europe should be hostile to Ukraine over circumstantial evidence that they destroyed north stream 2. > but when they do say Russia, what do you think an appropriate answer would be? There's only one answer that doesn't end in an escalation and stops all hostile acts from all parts at once. Find a compromise for peace. Stop the posturing and find a damn compromise. I have a feeling this war is mostly going on because both sides have gone too far with their statements and it would be a political suicide to backtrack on what was said.
      - sofixa 2y ago
        > Appeasement is a word pointlessly thrown around by people who don't uderstand history. I would say appeasement is the approach taken by people who don't understand history. Putin has been appeased for decades (Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine 2014 and 2022). How did that work out? It didn't, he just kept escalating. > Find a compromise for peace. Stop the posturing and find a damn compromise. How do you find a compromise with a robber and rapist? If someone comes to your home, rapes you, and says your home has always been theirs and you're fake, what sort of compromise would you find with them? And for the record yes, Russian troops are looting, raping, and enacting a genocide (if nothing else they've proudly said they've kidnapped hundreds of thousands of kids for reeducation which is in the literal definition of genocide).
  - supplied_demand 2y ago
    Russia (Putin) is the only one I have seen talking about or threatening nuclear war. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-ready-nuclear-war-not-everything-rushing-it-2024-03-13/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-ready...

TMWNN 2y ago

>Arson attacks are actually an extremely French phenomenon, over 1000 cars are often torched a night on New Years Eve Highly relevant: TIL that during the 2005 French riots, up to 1408 cars were burned per night across the country. The government declared that the riots had ended when, after three weeks of chaos, only 98 cars were burned per night ("return to a normal situation everywhere in France"). <https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4i50p8/til_that_during_the_2005_french_riots_up_to_1408/ https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4i50p8/til_th...>

sofixa 2y ago
> highly relevant > 2005 Explain how are singular events from 2005 "highly relevant"?

seszett 2y ago

> Arson attacks are actually an extremely French phenomenon, over 1000 cars are often torched a night on New Years Eve As far as I can tell it happened twice, 19 years ago and 4 years ago. I wouldn't call it a "common" occurrence. Now, 1000 cars or 700 cars doesn't mean much, one would have to compare it to the amount of cars in France. For example, more than 150 000 cars burn each year in the US (probably not just arson, but it's not my point) which is 500 per day on average. But there are more cars in the US than in France.

funwares 2y ago

I doubt these planned and coordinated attacks on infrastructure are carried out by the same individuals that opportunistically burn cars during New Years Eve.

xjm 2y ago

Though burning random cars might be French, we are talking here about arson with precise strategic targets (although I'm not staying this is more Russia's style)

throwaway74354 2y ago

>Arson attacks are actually an extremely French phenomenon Thanks to the power of art, it can be Russian and French at the same time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Pavlensky#Lighting_(2017) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Pavlensky#Lighting_(2017)