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In the theory yes. I can imagine that when shit hits the fan, France isnt able to answer accordingly.

williamdclt 2y ago
You can imagine whatever you want. The fact is that France is concretely prepared, "when shit hits the fan, it won't be able to answer accordingly" is a random dude-on-the-internet opinion
- pelasaco 2y ago
  > The fact is that France is concretely prepared Thank you random dude-on-the-internet for your opinion. There is however enough information about SIGINT x French Missiles in the internet. Go and find them.
sofixa 2y ago
So you think France spends collectively tens of billions of euros to have nuclear strike capabilities, but wouldn't use them because... "France"?
- pelasaco 2y ago
  A country that has the courage to press the button, would never allow it become the social chaos that it is today.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    ... Wait, which are these _non_-chaotic nuclear armed countries? Like, US: Jan 6th and all that. Russia: At least one major military coup in the last year. Britain: Brexit, new prime minister every three weeks, all infrastructure more or less at point of collapse. France: well, 'nuff said. You could maybe argue China, I suppose? Though I think they're just better at keeping the chaos boiling just below the surface.
  - basicpython 2y ago
    Social chaos? Revolt is part of France's DNA, since 1789. What country can claim to have no social problems? Moreover, military action and social issues are separate matters and I don't see the link with "pressing the button". Stop french bashing please.
    - pelasaco 2y ago
      > Stop french bashing please Why should I? What were the French military success in the last 100 years? Paris is just degraded right now. French bashing please!
  - another2another 2y ago
    Most democracies tolerate a degree of social chaos since self expression and freedom of action are part of the culture. Dictatorships on the other hand are terrified of their own people, and so crush and expression of freedom that they don't directly approve (see for instance the lady that was arrested in Moscow for standing in public with a blank piece of paper). However in times of threat from an external force, then people group together and there's more cohesion. Would a democracy like France press the button to protect themselves or an ally under such circumstances? Yes, I think they would. However these societies are not run by a single small cell of egotistical leaders like feudal courts of old as current autocracies are. The question is more, would these deranged autocracies have the dumb courage to risk annihilation by directly attacking the democracies they hate? Doubt it.
    - pelasaco 2y ago
      > dumb courage to risk annihilation by directly attacking the democracies they hate? Doubt it. Why would any of them do that? They can seat, wait and watch the west crumble apart with almost no intervention.
  - chgs 2y ago
    !remindme Jan 20
benterix 2y ago
It makes no sense. The whole point of nuclear weapons is deterrence (so "theory"). The moment you actually have to use them ("practice") everybody involved loses. And the uninvolved too.

You can imagine whatever you want. The fact is that France is concretely prepared, "when shit hits the fan, it won't be able to answer accordingly" is a random dude-on-the-internet opinion

pelasaco 2y ago
> The fact is that France is concretely prepared Thank you random dude-on-the-internet for your opinion. There is however enough information about SIGINT x French Missiles in the internet. Go and find them.

sofixa 2y ago

So you think France spends collectively tens of billions of euros to have nuclear strike capabilities, but wouldn't use them because... "France"?

pelasaco 2y ago
A country that has the courage to press the button, would never allow it become the social chaos that it is today.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  ... Wait, which are these _non_-chaotic nuclear armed countries? Like, US: Jan 6th and all that. Russia: At least one major military coup in the last year. Britain: Brexit, new prime minister every three weeks, all infrastructure more or less at point of collapse. France: well, 'nuff said. You could maybe argue China, I suppose? Though I think they're just better at keeping the chaos boiling just below the surface.
- basicpython 2y ago
  Social chaos? Revolt is part of France's DNA, since 1789. What country can claim to have no social problems? Moreover, military action and social issues are separate matters and I don't see the link with "pressing the button". Stop french bashing please.
  - pelasaco 2y ago
    > Stop french bashing please Why should I? What were the French military success in the last 100 years? Paris is just degraded right now. French bashing please!
- another2another 2y ago
  Most democracies tolerate a degree of social chaos since self expression and freedom of action are part of the culture. Dictatorships on the other hand are terrified of their own people, and so crush and expression of freedom that they don't directly approve (see for instance the lady that was arrested in Moscow for standing in public with a blank piece of paper). However in times of threat from an external force, then people group together and there's more cohesion. Would a democracy like France press the button to protect themselves or an ally under such circumstances? Yes, I think they would. However these societies are not run by a single small cell of egotistical leaders like feudal courts of old as current autocracies are. The question is more, would these deranged autocracies have the dumb courage to risk annihilation by directly attacking the democracies they hate? Doubt it.
  - pelasaco 2y ago
    > dumb courage to risk annihilation by directly attacking the democracies they hate? Doubt it. Why would any of them do that? They can seat, wait and watch the west crumble apart with almost no intervention.
- chgs 2y ago
  !remindme Jan 20

benterix 2y ago

It makes no sense. The whole point of nuclear weapons is deterrence (so "theory"). The moment you actually have to use them ("practice") everybody involved loses. And the uninvolved too.