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Last week, something similar happened in Italy: https://www.ilpost.it/2024/07/20/trenitalia-ritardi-treni-firenze/ https://www.ilpost.it/2024/07/20/trenitalia-r

Last week, something similar happened in Italy: https://www.ilpost.it/2024/07/20/trenitalia-ritardi-treni-firenze/ https://www.ilpost.it/2024/07/20/trenitalia-ritardi-treni-fi... There are not to many details, but the dynamic seems exactly the same.

benterix 2y ago
Russia-sponsored arson happened in Poland recently: https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/05/29/poland-detains-three-on-suspicion-of-arson-on-behalf-of-russia/ https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/05/29/poland-detains-three-... Some of these were stopped: https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7785/Artykul/3407219,ukraine-detains-group-planning-arson-attacks-in-poland-and-baltic-states https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7785/Artykul/3407219,ukraine... So apparently the new strategy of Russia is to set Europe on fire but pretend it's not them.
- a-french-anon 2y ago
  I read the article waiting for the least hint of proof that Russia was involved and left with empty hands. Except a politician talking and their national security agency saying these are included in an investigation related to Russian terrorism, but still nothing else than talk. Why would Russia even do such small time damage to countries geographically pretty far? Protip: no "Putin wants to conquer the world so he's planning in advance" conspiracy theory.
  - Gud 2y ago
    Why? Because they are supporting their enemy, Ukraine. Doesn’t take a military genius to see the obvious motive.
    - a-french-anon 2y ago
      And so burning a few random facilities (or relatively low strategic importance I guess, since they were seemingly not under surveillance) is going to change what? It'd make more sense for it to be an operation Northwoods if anything, but that would be even more far-fetched.
      - baq 2y ago
        They're on a multi-decade war with the west. Anything which makes people in other countries fight themselves is a win.
      - BWStearns 2y ago
        They also tried to kill the CEO of Rheinmetall. The GRU in particular (but also the FSB) occasionally just goes and does some crazy shit.
      - mdp2021 2y ago
        > is going to change what In some intention, public opinion.
      - Gud 2y ago
        It would make more sense but that would be even more far fetched…? Sorry, but the high speed rail is Frances pride, and this was not some random attack. Russia absolutely could pull this off, and they have the motive. What other organisations does?
    - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
      Not just that. Because Russia is barred from the Olympics because of their invasion of Ukraine. So they want to specifically mess up the Olympics.
      - tatersolid 2y ago
        I thought the Russians were barred from the Olympics because of persistent doping scandals?
        eszed 2y ago
        That was last time.
  - TheRoque 2y ago
    Maybe screw the opening ceremony of the Olympics to keep saying that "western countries are falling apart" ? It has been a classic rethoric of Russia media for a while. There has been 800,000 people affected by this outage and the opening ceremony is at 7pm tonight, so probably connected.
  - ailef 2y ago
    If there's something you can easily say on HN without the slightest piece of evidence and without fear of being called out is implicating Russia in any situation like this. This thread reads like a propaganda fair sponsored by Western governments.
    - limit499karma 2y ago
      Would be incredibly stupid of Russians to do something like this. Over at France24.com this is what is posted ATM: "Two security sources said the modus operandi meant initial suspicions fell on leftist militants or environmental activists, but they said there was not yet any evidence."
      - jajko 2y ago
        We don't talk about nation acting rationally when their egos and pride are involved. They are effectively banned from 2024 olympics, so they do terrorist attack to sabotage it. Childish? Yes. What long term good effect for them is there? 0 nil nothing. Is this very typical of russian mentality for anybody who actually knows the country and its leadership? Absolutely, 0 doubt, yes. Plus arrest of that drunken FSB agent in Romania who was bragging about exactly this terrorism few days ago. Also, very typical.
      - benterix 2y ago
        > Would be incredibly stupid of Russians to do something like this. You could say the same about shooting down a Dutch airliner.
        dralley 2y ago
        Or using chemical weapons on UK soil. Then claiming that the agents responsible were just tourists with an admiration of the local cathedral. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/russian-television-channel-rt-says-it-is-to-air-interview-with-skripal-salisbury-attack-suspects https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/russian-tele...
raverbashing 2y ago
It does not look like the same thing Above it's a "person in the rails" or in the platform In France there have been fires (probably Russia acting normal as usual)
- lormayna 2y ago
  There was also several technical problems in the day before and after.
jaclaz 2y ago
Well, not really, the episode that article is related to came out as being a couple of homeless people walking on the railway: https://tg24.sky.it/cronaca/2024/07/20/firenze-uomo-binari-treni-ritardo https://tg24.sky.it/cronaca/2024/07/20/firenze-uomo-binari-t... The day before they had some technical problems with electricity, but still nothing that can be connected to intentional sabotage.
ossobuco 2y ago
What is going on with this thread, are you all on drugs? I'm Italian and this accident was just some random dudes walking on the rails.
- rscho 2y ago
  [flagged]
- lajrhab 2y ago
  It is the power of mass movements. The same people who posed as ultra liberals and leftists are now talking like Archie Bunker from the comedy series (forgot the name of the series, the character is an ultra conservative, commie hating person).
  - CoastalCoder 2y ago
    "All in the Family"
- lormayna 2y ago
  There was several technical problems in that period regarding TAV in Italy. The delays are not only about homeless walking on the tracks
  - ossobuco 2y ago
    Yes, and as mentioned in the Italian media, they were caused by lightning strikes damaging instrumentation on the rails, or by planned maintenance work. There is no suspicion of sabotage. Are just scraping the bottom of the barrel to find anything of use to incitate for a military escalation?

benterix 2y ago

Russia-sponsored arson happened in Poland recently: https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/05/29/poland-detains-three-on-suspicion-of-arson-on-behalf-of-russia/ https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/05/29/poland-detains-three-... Some of these were stopped: https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7785/Artykul/3407219,ukraine-detains-group-planning-arson-attacks-in-poland-and-baltic-states https://www.polskieradio.pl/395/7785/Artykul/3407219,ukraine... So apparently the new strategy of Russia is to set Europe on fire but pretend it's not them.

a-french-anon 2y ago
I read the article waiting for the least hint of proof that Russia was involved and left with empty hands. Except a politician talking and their national security agency saying these are included in an investigation related to Russian terrorism, but still nothing else than talk. Why would Russia even do such small time damage to countries geographically pretty far? Protip: no "Putin wants to conquer the world so he's planning in advance" conspiracy theory.
- Gud 2y ago
  Why? Because they are supporting their enemy, Ukraine. Doesn’t take a military genius to see the obvious motive.
  - a-french-anon 2y ago
    And so burning a few random facilities (or relatively low strategic importance I guess, since they were seemingly not under surveillance) is going to change what? It'd make more sense for it to be an operation Northwoods if anything, but that would be even more far-fetched.
    - baq 2y ago
      They're on a multi-decade war with the west. Anything which makes people in other countries fight themselves is a win.
    - BWStearns 2y ago
      They also tried to kill the CEO of Rheinmetall. The GRU in particular (but also the FSB) occasionally just goes and does some crazy shit.
    - mdp2021 2y ago
      > is going to change what In some intention, public opinion.
    - Gud 2y ago
      It would make more sense but that would be even more far fetched…? Sorry, but the high speed rail is Frances pride, and this was not some random attack. Russia absolutely could pull this off, and they have the motive. What other organisations does?
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    Not just that. Because Russia is barred from the Olympics because of their invasion of Ukraine. So they want to specifically mess up the Olympics.
    - tatersolid 2y ago
      I thought the Russians were barred from the Olympics because of persistent doping scandals?
      - eszed 2y ago
        That was last time.
- TheRoque 2y ago
  Maybe screw the opening ceremony of the Olympics to keep saying that "western countries are falling apart" ? It has been a classic rethoric of Russia media for a while. There has been 800,000 people affected by this outage and the opening ceremony is at 7pm tonight, so probably connected.
- ailef 2y ago
  If there's something you can easily say on HN without the slightest piece of evidence and without fear of being called out is implicating Russia in any situation like this. This thread reads like a propaganda fair sponsored by Western governments.
  - limit499karma 2y ago
    Would be incredibly stupid of Russians to do something like this. Over at France24.com this is what is posted ATM: "Two security sources said the modus operandi meant initial suspicions fell on leftist militants or environmental activists, but they said there was not yet any evidence."
    - jajko 2y ago
      We don't talk about nation acting rationally when their egos and pride are involved. They are effectively banned from 2024 olympics, so they do terrorist attack to sabotage it. Childish? Yes. What long term good effect for them is there? 0 nil nothing. Is this very typical of russian mentality for anybody who actually knows the country and its leadership? Absolutely, 0 doubt, yes. Plus arrest of that drunken FSB agent in Romania who was bragging about exactly this terrorism few days ago. Also, very typical.
    - benterix 2y ago
      > Would be incredibly stupid of Russians to do something like this. You could say the same about shooting down a Dutch airliner.
      - dralley 2y ago
        Or using chemical weapons on UK soil. Then claiming that the agents responsible were just tourists with an admiration of the local cathedral. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/russian-television-channel-rt-says-it-is-to-air-interview-with-skripal-salisbury-attack-suspects https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/13/russian-tele...

raverbashing 2y ago

It does not look like the same thing Above it's a "person in the rails" or in the platform In France there have been fires (probably Russia acting normal as usual)

lormayna 2y ago
There was also several technical problems in the day before and after.

jaclaz 2y ago

Well, not really, the episode that article is related to came out as being a couple of homeless people walking on the railway: https://tg24.sky.it/cronaca/2024/07/20/firenze-uomo-binari-treni-ritardo https://tg24.sky.it/cronaca/2024/07/20/firenze-uomo-binari-t... The day before they had some technical problems with electricity, but still nothing that can be connected to intentional sabotage.

ossobuco 2y ago

What is going on with this thread, are you all on drugs? I'm Italian and this accident was just some random dudes walking on the rails.

rscho 2y ago
[flagged]
lajrhab 2y ago
It is the power of mass movements. The same people who posed as ultra liberals and leftists are now talking like Archie Bunker from the comedy series (forgot the name of the series, the character is an ultra conservative, commie hating person).
- CoastalCoder 2y ago
  "All in the Family"
lormayna 2y ago
There was several technical problems in that period regarding TAV in Italy. The delays are not only about homeless walking on the tracks
- ossobuco 2y ago
  Yes, and as mentioned in the Italian media, they were caused by lightning strikes damaging instrumentation on the rails, or by planned maintenance work. There is no suspicion of sabotage. Are just scraping the bottom of the barrel to find anything of use to incitate for a military escalation?