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> Have you seen many dozens of reports of Ukrainian nationalists destroying memorials to the soldiers who fought Nazis? And, as if it's not bad enough already,

by lawn 2y ago

> Have you seen many dozens of reports of Ukrainian nationalists destroying memorials to the soldiers who fought Nazis? And, as if it's not bad enough already, building memorials to Nazi collaborators whom they consider to be their heroes? Don't listen to stupid Russian propaganda...

protomolecule 2y ago
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- racional 2y ago
  Which part are you disputing? The idea that any of these stupid monuments have anything to do with the actual reasons the 2014/2022 invasions were launched. Or that Putin actually cares about Nazis. Or that you actually care. Or that any of this stuff has any relevance as a topic, next to the reality of the current war itself. It's all just dumb propaganda.
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    > about Nazis. Or that you actually care. Oh, I do care a lot. My grandmother survived the blockade of Leningrad, and another relative survived in a Nazi concentration camp.
    - racional 2y ago
      I don't think you rationally believe that this history has any substantive relevance to the current conflict.
      - protomolecule 2y ago
        And I think your irrational russophobia has no relevance to the current conflict.
        racional 2y ago
        As the set of my irrational russophobia is empty, the intersection of its relevance and the current conflict is also empty.
- racional 2y ago
  (to the tg channel of Ukrainian politician, who is in exile in Spain and has survived an assassination attempt). About that "politician", Andrij Shariy whom you are citing as some kind of a credible figure, if not a martyr of sorts -- from WP: In a 2010 article, "Blue Rust. Dictatorship of Sodomites"[4] Shariy expressed an opinion that due to death sentences for same-sex and adultery relationships in Iran after the Islamic revolution the situation with prostitution, pedophilia, and rape in Iran was much better than in Ukraine.”[79]: 46–47, 57 [81] In the summer of 2020, journalist Sergei Ivanov posted screenshots of Anatoly Shariy's publications from 2010 in which he showed understanding for the extermination of homosexuals and Roma in gas chambers during the Third Reich.[82][83] No credible information has emerged about the alleged attempts on his life. However he is under investigation by the SBU for inciting nationalist hatred.
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    You bothered to go to wikipedia to discredit the messenger when you couldn't disprove the fact that monuments to fallen Soviet soldiers are destroyed in Ukraine, but chose to stop citing wiki too soon. Doesn't seem honest to me. Here is the next paragraph you ignored: In 2021 Shariy apologized "for his past from 11 years ago" and claimed his views had been changed since then.[84] "And about gays. I am a simple guy from Karavaevka. My childhood passed in the Soviet Union. I have never seen those "gays" ...I was certain that they would attack me with obscene offers... but I must say that I have never had a problem with a gay person in my life."
    - racional 2y ago
      The guy's an idiot, and a loose cannon. It doesn't matter how much he "evolved" or changed his tune once he started facing the natural consequences for whatever he shitposted earlier. What matters here is that you seem to happy to hold him up a credible, interesting useful and inspiring source of information. You couldn't disprove the fact that ... I don't dispute any of it. There's no need to because it's simply not relevant to the current situation.
      - 2y ago

by lawn 2y ago

protomolecule 2y ago

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racional 2y ago
Which part are you disputing? The idea that any of these stupid monuments have anything to do with the actual reasons the 2014/2022 invasions were launched. Or that Putin actually cares about Nazis. Or that you actually care. Or that any of this stuff has any relevance as a topic, next to the reality of the current war itself. It's all just dumb propaganda.
- protomolecule 2y ago
  > about Nazis. Or that you actually care. Oh, I do care a lot. My grandmother survived the blockade of Leningrad, and another relative survived in a Nazi concentration camp.
  - racional 2y ago
    I don't think you rationally believe that this history has any substantive relevance to the current conflict.
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      And I think your irrational russophobia has no relevance to the current conflict.
      - racional 2y ago
        As the set of my irrational russophobia is empty, the intersection of its relevance and the current conflict is also empty.
racional 2y ago
(to the tg channel of Ukrainian politician, who is in exile in Spain and has survived an assassination attempt). About that "politician", Andrij Shariy whom you are citing as some kind of a credible figure, if not a martyr of sorts -- from WP: In a 2010 article, "Blue Rust. Dictatorship of Sodomites"[4] Shariy expressed an opinion that due to death sentences for same-sex and adultery relationships in Iran after the Islamic revolution the situation with prostitution, pedophilia, and rape in Iran was much better than in Ukraine.”[79]: 46–47, 57 [81] In the summer of 2020, journalist Sergei Ivanov posted screenshots of Anatoly Shariy's publications from 2010 in which he showed understanding for the extermination of homosexuals and Roma in gas chambers during the Third Reich.[82][83] No credible information has emerged about the alleged attempts on his life. However he is under investigation by the SBU for inciting nationalist hatred.
- protomolecule 2y ago
  You bothered to go to wikipedia to discredit the messenger when you couldn't disprove the fact that monuments to fallen Soviet soldiers are destroyed in Ukraine, but chose to stop citing wiki too soon. Doesn't seem honest to me. Here is the next paragraph you ignored: In 2021 Shariy apologized "for his past from 11 years ago" and claimed his views had been changed since then.[84] "And about gays. I am a simple guy from Karavaevka. My childhood passed in the Soviet Union. I have never seen those "gays" ...I was certain that they would attack me with obscene offers... but I must say that I have never had a problem with a gay person in my life."
  - racional 2y ago
    The guy's an idiot, and a loose cannon. It doesn't matter how much he "evolved" or changed his tune once he started facing the natural consequences for whatever he shitposted earlier. What matters here is that you seem to happy to hold him up a credible, interesting useful and inspiring source of information. You couldn't disprove the fact that ... I don't dispute any of it. There's no need to because it's simply not relevant to the current situation.
    - 2y ago