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> „Public spaces“ Usually buildings have private property owners. They agree to putting a bill board on their wall or they don’t. Graffiti sprayers usually don

> „Public spaces“ Usually buildings have private property owners. They agree to putting a bill board on their wall or they don’t. Graffiti sprayers usually don’t ask for permission — and that’s where the difference comes from. In Europe you don’t usually have huge bill board on buildings. Rather you have lots of advertising columns on the side walks (here in Berlin we call them „Litfaßsäule“ named after the local inventor Paul Litfaß in 1854). You could argue they being a nuisance for sure but before the internet and even before radio and tv it was an important place of public communication. Actually they were an improvement because prior to advertising columns advertisers were wildly plastering anything with posters.

Doxin 2y ago
> Usually buildings have private property owners. They agree to putting a bill board on their wall or they don’t. And yet if I agree to have someone stand on my property shouting insults at passers-by I'll get a visit from the police soon enough. This issue isn't as black and white as you make it out to be. Just because the owner of the building the billboard is attached to agrees to have it there doesn't mean no one else is affected. There's already limits to what you can put on a billboard. Banning billboards isn't some radical new category of thing. it's simply moving that threshold down to "you can put nothing on billboards"
kelnos 2y ago
Property ownership does not entitle you to do absolutely anything you want. We live in a society of common spaces, and we need not allow people to own property if they do not agree to our social contract.
- mcosta 2y ago
  Where is that contract and when did I signed it?
  - Doxin 2y ago
    "The social contract" is a very well defined and explored concept[0]. It's not a literal contract. Being intentionally obtuse about word definitions isn't going to convince anyone of anything. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
  - account42 2y ago
    I'm sure if you commit a crime the Judge will also let you go if you point out that technically you never agreed to the laws of the country you live in.

Doxin 2y ago

> Usually buildings have private property owners. They agree to putting a bill board on their wall or they don’t. And yet if I agree to have someone stand on my property shouting insults at passers-by I'll get a visit from the police soon enough. This issue isn't as black and white as you make it out to be. Just because the owner of the building the billboard is attached to agrees to have it there doesn't mean no one else is affected. There's already limits to what you can put on a billboard. Banning billboards isn't some radical new category of thing. it's simply moving that threshold down to "you can put nothing on billboards"

kelnos 2y ago

Property ownership does not entitle you to do absolutely anything you want. We live in a society of common spaces, and we need not allow people to own property if they do not agree to our social contract.

mcosta 2y ago
Where is that contract and when did I signed it?
- Doxin 2y ago
  "The social contract" is a very well defined and explored concept[0]. It's not a literal contract. Being intentionally obtuse about word definitions isn't going to convince anyone of anything. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
- account42 2y ago
  I'm sure if you commit a crime the Judge will also let you go if you point out that technically you never agreed to the laws of the country you live in.