> But for the people I know, many would sooner end their own lives than doing something that distasteful. You bring up jail in the same breath you say that. T

> But for the people I know, many would sooner end their own lives than doing something that distasteful. You bring up jail in the same breath you say that. The plural of anecdote is not evidence, and you've provided equal weighting to both that people will do terrible things and that some people will not. At the very least, presumably that's evidence of free will. Either way, it has no bearing on the iron law of nature. Just because civilization exists, and we exist within it, does not mean that we have overcome our basest nature, we only hold it at bay, presumably by choice.