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>Again, no one buys things using only such an interface. I was talking about future possibilities, not the past. I would have thought that was clear from my co

>Again, no one buys things using only such an interface. I was talking about future possibilities, not the past. I would have thought that was clear from my comment. but maybe it was not worded clearly, or maybe you didn't get it. >I am middle aged and have never done, not even in pre-e-commerce times. you are not the same entity as everyone else. you are one, they are numerous. just the fact that you have never done it does not mean that no one else has ever done it, or would not like to do it. >It is a non-existent behavior, and there was no reason to think Alexa could will it into existence. non-existent past behaviours can become future existing behaviours. I meant Amazon building that feature into Alexa, not that Alexa would create it by itself.

smt88 2y ago
> I was talking about future possibilities, not the past. Why would anyone want to do an audio-only interface? If there were a need or desire for it, it would have popped up somewhere else in society. It hasn't. > you are not the same entity as everyone else. you are one, they are numerous. OK, let me rephrase that. I've never heard of a single other person buying a single thing using an audio-only interface. It probably happens, but it's rare enough that it's safe to say Amazon was trying to invent a brand new human behavior, which (I will reiterate) is stupid.
- fuzztester 2y ago
  >> I was talking about future possibilities, not the past. >Why would anyone want to do an audio-only interface? If there were a need or desire for it, it would have popped up somewhere else in society. It hasn't. what utter rubbish you talk, dude. you are talking repeatedly past me, that is, not directly addressing my replies, instead, you are going off at a tangent each time. that's not the way to conduct a rational argument. it's often seen as evading the point that the other person made (because you don't have a good answer for it), although it can also be just due to poor logic, and due to talking on the basis of emotion rather than reason. as an example your illogic, to be precise, and referring to both of our points that I quoted just above: I talked about the future possibilities, and yet you are continuing to harp on the fact that that innovation has not happened yet. does the fact that something has not happened yet, mean that it can never happened in the future? jay. eff. cee. did people think that mobile phones would happen before they happened? or computers? or cars? or fridges? or so many other modern inventions? maybe for some of those cases it was predicted, but not for all, damn sure of that. and I bet some of those at least were not needed or desired earlier. still they happened. quoting one of your above points again, to make another very valid point: >>Why would anyone want to do an audio-only interface? If there were a need or desire for it, it would have popped up somewhere else in society. It hasn't. nonsense, on 2 counts: 1. so you think that if there's a need or desire for something in society, it will automatically "pop up"? by the grace of god, maybe? 2. you say it hasn't. here is another hn user, NotMichaelBay, in this same subthread, who says that it already exists: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41077865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41077865 start of his comment (italics mine): >That already exists too, but it's also poor UX because it processes your response slower than a person would, and it sometimes misunderstands what you're saying or asks you to repeat. so he says that it already exists. I don't think he would be making it up. but to address his point about UX, I think his argument that it is poor UX may be wrong. however I have not replied to it yet and may not do it for some more hours, because I have other things to do too. but in a nutshell: voice recognition and voice processing technology has progressed in leaps and bounds. it is much better than it was a few years back. I used to be a skeptic about it then, but nowadays it is so good that I use it many times on a daily basis, including for voice typing these hn comments, at least partially. I just have to make a few edits to correct the mistakes that it makes. this is an example of a need and a desire (referring to your comment above), that I, at least, did not know about beforehand, but happily use once it is available. but it did not pop up in society just because I needed it or desired it. it happened because someone innovated it.

smt88 2y ago

> I was talking about future possibilities, not the past. Why would anyone want to do an audio-only interface? If there were a need or desire for it, it would have popped up somewhere else in society. It hasn't. > you are not the same entity as everyone else. you are one, they are numerous. OK, let me rephrase that. I've never heard of a single other person buying a single thing using an audio-only interface. It probably happens, but it's rare enough that it's safe to say Amazon was trying to invent a brand new human behavior, which (I will reiterate) is stupid.

fuzztester 2y ago
>> I was talking about future possibilities, not the past. >Why would anyone want to do an audio-only interface? If there were a need or desire for it, it would have popped up somewhere else in society. It hasn't. what utter rubbish you talk, dude. you are talking repeatedly past me, that is, not directly addressing my replies, instead, you are going off at a tangent each time. that's not the way to conduct a rational argument. it's often seen as evading the point that the other person made (because you don't have a good answer for it), although it can also be just due to poor logic, and due to talking on the basis of emotion rather than reason. as an example your illogic, to be precise, and referring to both of our points that I quoted just above: I talked about the future possibilities, and yet you are continuing to harp on the fact that that innovation has not happened yet. does the fact that something has not happened yet, mean that it can never happened in the future? jay. eff. cee. did people think that mobile phones would happen before they happened? or computers? or cars? or fridges? or so many other modern inventions? maybe for some of those cases it was predicted, but not for all, damn sure of that. and I bet some of those at least were not needed or desired earlier. still they happened. quoting one of your above points again, to make another very valid point: >>Why would anyone want to do an audio-only interface? If there were a need or desire for it, it would have popped up somewhere else in society. It hasn't. nonsense, on 2 counts: 1. so you think that if there's a need or desire for something in society, it will automatically "pop up"? by the grace of god, maybe? 2. you say it hasn't. here is another hn user, NotMichaelBay, in this same subthread, who says that it already exists: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41077865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41077865 start of his comment (italics mine): >That already exists too, but it's also poor UX because it processes your response slower than a person would, and it sometimes misunderstands what you're saying or asks you to repeat. so he says that it already exists. I don't think he would be making it up. but to address his point about UX, I think his argument that it is poor UX may be wrong. however I have not replied to it yet and may not do it for some more hours, because I have other things to do too. but in a nutshell: voice recognition and voice processing technology has progressed in leaps and bounds. it is much better than it was a few years back. I used to be a skeptic about it then, but nowadays it is so good that I use it many times on a daily basis, including for voice typing these hn comments, at least partially. I just have to make a few edits to correct the mistakes that it makes. this is an example of a need and a desire (referring to your comment above), that I, at least, did not know about beforehand, but happily use once it is available. but it did not pop up in society just because I needed it or desired it. it happened because someone innovated it.