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What's the worst that can happen if someone who isn't homeless, but traveling, working, or otherwise just want/needs to take a short nap. Likely in their car i

What's the worst that can happen if someone who isn't homeless, but traveling, working, or otherwise just want/needs to take a short nap. Likely in their car in a public parking space? The other side, is even in clearing out parks, and encampments it would help if there were a place to go. There are a lot of issues, and having worked with homeless charity groups, drug addiction is at the center of most of it... you can't really force someone to get and stay clean... The system needs some form of outlet.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
These people aren't going to just die for our convenience. If you want to clear out parks, they're going to go somewhere. If you don't have an idea of where you want that to be, then they're going to go somewhere that you don't want. So, clear out the parks and the streets if you want. Where are they going to go? (But of course it's not that simple, because even if you have an idea of where you want them to go, they may well choose to go somewhere else. So what you really need is to have somewhere for them to go, and for that somewhere to be perceived by them to be better than where they are now.)
- tracker1 2y ago
  I'm not sure what the intent of your reply is... I pretty much stated as much in that they need to have a place to go in order for clearing to be effective or meaningful. Shelters don't work, generally for a number of reasons that I and others have brought up. I never suggested anyone will/should die for my convenience.
  - AnimalMuppet 2y ago
    > I never suggested anyone will/should die for my convenience. And I didn't suggest that you did. What I was trying to say is, if you (some "you", not you username tracker1) advocate for clearing out the encampments but don't have a clear idea of where they're actually going to go, you're going to be unpleasantly surprised by what happens. Note the word "actually". Not what you want them to do in some idealized world. What the actual homeless people we have are going to actually do.
  - fasa99 2y ago
    Yea it's pretty simple. They'll go to "not the park" for a while, then some, back to the park. This is a person in the city with no brick home, so they'll be somewhere in the city. Other place they might go is prison. Which is a shame because the nature of socially reforming a non-homed person is not the same as socially reforming a non-non-crime committing person. Thing about homeless and drug use is dopamine rewiring. Hard drugs hit dopamine hard. A warm house, fresh cup of coffee, warm clean bed and blanket, that sounds nice, but if your dopamine requirement is 9999999 only more hard drugs will give joy. Part of me would love to see a drug that reset dopamine, part of me would hate it because it might make the ultimate drug. Of course the other disease with homeless is hard psychiatric illness, and we have medicines for it.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago

These people aren't going to just die for our convenience. If you want to clear out parks, they're going to go somewhere. If you don't have an idea of where you want that to be, then they're going to go somewhere that you don't want. So, clear out the parks and the streets if you want. Where are they going to go? (But of course it's not that simple, because even if you have an idea of where you want them to go, they may well choose to go somewhere else. So what you really need is to have somewhere for them to go, and for that somewhere to be perceived by them to be better than where they are now.)

tracker1 2y ago
I'm not sure what the intent of your reply is... I pretty much stated as much in that they need to have a place to go in order for clearing to be effective or meaningful. Shelters don't work, generally for a number of reasons that I and others have brought up. I never suggested anyone will/should die for my convenience.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  > I never suggested anyone will/should die for my convenience. And I didn't suggest that you did. What I was trying to say is, if you (some "you", not you username tracker1) advocate for clearing out the encampments but don't have a clear idea of where they're actually going to go, you're going to be unpleasantly surprised by what happens. Note the word "actually". Not what you want them to do in some idealized world. What the actual homeless people we have are going to actually do.
- fasa99 2y ago
  Yea it's pretty simple. They'll go to "not the park" for a while, then some, back to the park. This is a person in the city with no brick home, so they'll be somewhere in the city. Other place they might go is prison. Which is a shame because the nature of socially reforming a non-homed person is not the same as socially reforming a non-non-crime committing person. Thing about homeless and drug use is dopamine rewiring. Hard drugs hit dopamine hard. A warm house, fresh cup of coffee, warm clean bed and blanket, that sounds nice, but if your dopamine requirement is 9999999 only more hard drugs will give joy. Part of me would love to see a drug that reset dopamine, part of me would hate it because it might make the ultimate drug. Of course the other disease with homeless is hard psychiatric illness, and we have medicines for it.