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I just tried it on Firefox with https://beta.maps.apple.com/abc https://beta.maps.apple.com/abc, and all the POIs are incorrectly placed (at least in South Afri

I just tried it on Firefox with https://beta.maps.apple.com/abc https://beta.maps.apple.com/abc, and all the POIs are incorrectly placed (at least in South Africa) and the roads are right-angled and un-named. Also, Apple makes an absolute mess when contributing to the OpenStreetMap project. For example, their contributors make any informal / illegal shortcut part of a residential street when it isn't.

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diggan 2y ago
> Also, Apple makes an absolute mess when contributing to the OpenStreetMap project. For example, their contributors make any informal / illegal shortcut part of a residential street when it isn't. This would be very bad, where are you getting this from? That their own maps implementation doesn't work outside of Chrome/Safari doesn't sound nearly as bad as if they're damaging an entire ecosystem like that.
- botanical 2y ago
  I contribute to OSM, and I've seen it in my own local town. It's not so much nefarious as it is negligent. They don't have local knowledge, see a satellite image of what seems like a road and decide it connects to existing residential roads. If you spend time on it, you'll notice it too as it was common enough for me to notice it.
  - diggan 2y ago
    You have any concrete examples of this happening you could link to?
    - gunapologist99 2y ago
      Probably not without self-doxxing.
    - a2128 2y ago
      I found this after scrolling through the linked GitHub issues where they overwrite local surveyed data with an interpretation based on satellite imagery: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/109846534 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/109846534
  - mtmail 2y ago
    https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/issues https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/issues is where you can give feedback to Apple‘s OSM mapping team. There’s one thread per country
  - dwaite 2y ago
    Do you have reference to this being based on an Apple change and based on analysis of satellite images?
robertoandred 2y ago
Firefox is not currently a supported browser.
- Ayesh 2y ago
  Links like https://beta.maps.apple.com/abc https://beta.maps.apple.com/abc still work.
  - tjoff 2y ago
    Neither firefox nor chrome works on android with that link.
    - Freak_NL 2y ago
      According to the linked support page, nothing except Apple OSes and Windows is supported; not even desktop Linux! That's quite an accomplishment in 2024. They really went above and beyond in not supporting any modern browser.
      - unshavedyak 2y ago
        Interestingly that /abc link works for me on Linux (Brave), but the published link doesn't work for me on Linux+any browser, Chrome included. Agreed, quite annoying. I own a bunch of Apple stuff, but when they do this crap i can't invest further into their ecosystem because it's unusable to me much of the time.
        dwaite 2y ago
        "Support for additional languages, browsers, and platforms will be expanded over time." Sounds like it is a true beta and not a "Google" beta.
- vdnkh 2y ago
  Works for me on FF dev edition. I bet WebGPU support is required (mainline FF does not support this).
Lukas_Skywalker 2y ago
Firefox on Ubuntu works on my machine, but only using your link, and it displays "[App.AppleMaps.Title]" as the tabs title. The POIs seem to be correct in Switzerland.

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diggan 2y ago

> Also, Apple makes an absolute mess when contributing to the OpenStreetMap project. For example, their contributors make any informal / illegal shortcut part of a residential street when it isn't. This would be very bad, where are you getting this from? That their own maps implementation doesn't work outside of Chrome/Safari doesn't sound nearly as bad as if they're damaging an entire ecosystem like that.

botanical 2y ago
I contribute to OSM, and I've seen it in my own local town. It's not so much nefarious as it is negligent. They don't have local knowledge, see a satellite image of what seems like a road and decide it connects to existing residential roads. If you spend time on it, you'll notice it too as it was common enough for me to notice it.
- diggan 2y ago
  You have any concrete examples of this happening you could link to?
  - gunapologist99 2y ago
    Probably not without self-doxxing.
  - a2128 2y ago
    I found this after scrolling through the linked GitHub issues where they overwrite local surveyed data with an interpretation based on satellite imagery: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/109846534 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/109846534
- mtmail 2y ago
  https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/issues https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/issues is where you can give feedback to Apple‘s OSM mapping team. There’s one thread per country
- dwaite 2y ago
  Do you have reference to this being based on an Apple change and based on analysis of satellite images?

robertoandred 2y ago

Firefox is not currently a supported browser.

Ayesh 2y ago
Links like https://beta.maps.apple.com/abc https://beta.maps.apple.com/abc still work.
- tjoff 2y ago
  Neither firefox nor chrome works on android with that link.
  - Freak_NL 2y ago
    According to the linked support page, nothing except Apple OSes and Windows is supported; not even desktop Linux! That's quite an accomplishment in 2024. They really went above and beyond in not supporting any modern browser.
    - unshavedyak 2y ago
      Interestingly that /abc link works for me on Linux (Brave), but the published link doesn't work for me on Linux+any browser, Chrome included. Agreed, quite annoying. I own a bunch of Apple stuff, but when they do this crap i can't invest further into their ecosystem because it's unusable to me much of the time.
      - dwaite 2y ago
        "Support for additional languages, browsers, and platforms will be expanded over time." Sounds like it is a true beta and not a "Google" beta.
vdnkh 2y ago
Works for me on FF dev edition. I bet WebGPU support is required (mainline FF does not support this).

Lukas_Skywalker 2y ago

Firefox on Ubuntu works on my machine, but only using your link, and it displays "[App.AppleMaps.Title]" as the tabs title. The POIs seem to be correct in Switzerland.