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On favour of humans, people have usually seen the numbers thousands to millions of times in their lifetimes, while chimps would have seen them few dozens of tim
by franciscop 2y ago
On favour of humans, people have usually seen the numbers thousands to millions of times in their lifetimes, while chimps would have seen them few dozens of times at best. So "training the same time" for humans and chimps is def misleading, would love to see this with an abstract or uncommon characters like Japanese (for a Western audience).
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- autokad 2y agothat would not matter much at all. I can learn a foreign language numbers in a matter of minutes.
- murukesh_s 2y agoThat is because you have basic understanding of numbers. Tribes may not have that.
- franciscop 2y agoMe too, but I still find 4,6,8 a lot easier to read than 四,六,八
- anon24526742 2y ago四,六,八 is "four, six, eight" in English. These are the names of the numbers, not the numbers themselves. In Japanese they write the numbers the same as in English ("4, 6, 8")
- skissane 2y ago> In Japanese they write the numbers the same as in English ("4, 6, 8") Modern Japanese has two numeral systems - Arabic and Chinese. The Arabic numerals were introduced to Japanese relatively recently (only in the modern period). In pre-modern Japanese, only the Chinese numerals existed. In contemporary Japanese, Arabic numerals are more common, but Chinese numerals are still used in some contexts (especially texts written vertically) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_numerals https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_numerals
- jvandreae 2y agoCompare also: 一 / 1 (one stroke vs three) 十 / 10 (two strokes vs four) 万 / 10,000 (three strokes vs seven)
- apricot 2y agoI don't know about you, but I write my 1 in just one stroke of the pen. Also I use a space as a thousands separator, and you need to write 一万 in Japanese for 10 000, not just 万 by itself. That makes for a closer game: 一 / 1 (one stroke vs one) 十 / 10 (two strokes vs two) 一万 / 10 000 (or 10K) (four strokes vs five) When you get to numbers like 5462, there's no contest versus 五千四百六十二.
- freeopinion 2y agoI have Japanese publications in which things like chapter numbers are written as 二三 instead of 二十三. But I agree with you.
- murukesh_s 2y ago>two university students to a level superior to the chimpanzee yea, and university students? would have been fair comparison if they tried to train members from some tribe who haven't been exposed to schooling,.
- bryanrasmussen 2y agowait, were these students from an Ivy or Not?
- ASalazarMX 2y agoI actually liked the comparison, training two university students to beat a chimp is almost poetic.