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What? We're into late stage capitalism and you're telling me the world was experimenting with making employees lives better? I must be living under a rock! Whe
by Draiken 2y ago
What? We're into late stage capitalism and you're telling me the world was experimenting with making employees lives better? I must be living under a rock!
Where are these so called experiments? I only see employee conditions getting progressively worse. If you go back long enough, we did get a few wins like weekends and some limits on hours after a lot of people died for it, but that's about it.
The last change we had was probably WFH which only affects a small portion of people and, realistically, is only being accepted because it's cheaper for companies.
>But, you are of course free to start a company doing that.
I argue nothing different than the status quo can ever succeed without deep structural change.
It's like trying to be a pacifist in the middle of a war zone. You will be killed. It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with being a pacifist, but it simply cannot work under those conditions.
The part that people seem to forget is that we chose to value profits above all else. We can also choose to change that. Even if it's extremely hard to imagine this with all the propaganda we've been bombarded with in the past century, it's possible.
- danaris 2y ago> We're into late stage capitalism and you're telling me the world was experimenting with making employees lives better? They're repeating propaganda about communism and socialism. It's tiresome, really, the degree to which Americans have bought the propaganda that countries like the Soviet Union themselves spread, that they were communist, when in fact they were authoritarian dictatorships with a few very-badly-thought-out planned-economy features.
- blackhawkC17 2y ago[flagged]
- tempfile 2y agoIt is easier to have a productive conversation if you actually address the points being argued, rather than dismiss them out of hand with no justification.
- blackhawkC17 2y agoThe GP boldly said the Soviet Union wasn’t communist. Please then, what was it? Capitalist? Feudal? Democratic socialism? I need a clear answer..
- tempfile 2y agoI'm not sure why you think there will be a clear answer, since communism is not a word with a clear definition. It means many things to many people. It's no different to "capitalist" in this respect (and you often see lib-right people claim the US is "not real capitalism" because things like social security and govt bailouts exist). It's obvious that "communist" policies don't entail that you have the same government as the USSR, so I think it's fair to call arguments that suggest so propaganda. It's probably meaningless to argue about whether the USSR had "true communism".
- Draiken 2y agoThey don't want a clear answer. They never did, and likely never will. That's the problem with this type of topic. As much as I like to talk about it, there never seems to be any real talk. People pick a side and arguments be damned. The extent of their knowledge generally extends to "communism bad" and there's no good faith in actually talking about the shitty situation we're in today. My original answer was not even citing communism at all. I was specifically talking about worker conditions, but people seem to be unable or unwilling to have a conversation and instead degrade it and down vote.
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