That's not what I am trying to convey here. JVM is amazing and it is a feat that java is as fast as it is and javascript and v8 are order of magnitude slower.

That's not what I am trying to convey here. JVM is amazing and it is a feat that java is as fast as it is and javascript and v8 are order of magnitude slower. Also even though I also found java too verbose, I kept believing that we need it to be so to write good software. I still enjoy java but it doesn't compare to the ergonomics of typescript for me. And nimbleness of the experience according to me plays a decent role. Currently for me, either I really care about performance and I default to rust for those applications or I need solutions where the product will evolve quickly over time and I need great DX over performance and I default to typescript for those. Java definitely has a role to play but its role in my work has certainly diminished.