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The Right Way to Quickly End the War in Ukraine

8 points by kioku 2y ago

RcouF1uZ4gsC 2y ago
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- rightbyte 2y ago
  These kind of people are emotion driven I believe. I don't think you should try to rationalize their reasoning.
- credit_guy 2y ago
  It appears that's their thesis. Even if they were right, they commit a huge fallacy. They think that a surge would automatically lead to significant results on the battlefield. But what if it doesn't? What if it's a repeat of the Summer of 2023? Then you embolden Russia, and you get the opposite effect of what you aim for.
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
  Self imposing restrictions and telegraphing them to the enemy is a recipe for losing, because now the enemy knows what it can and can't do. No, the west needs to leave the possibility of escalation open. Or what do you suggest? That we tell Russia "no matter what you do, we won't escalate and so the consequences for you won't be too bad". That's not rational. It's like you're playing chess, and part of your strategy is telling your opponent "if you go there I'll take your queen" so your opponent knows what to do. Stop this tHiS wIlL eScAlAtE nonsense please.
- timeon 2y ago
  Escalate? They have already invaded independent country.
  - rightbyte 2y ago
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    - verdverm 2y ago
      > rather cermonial on a stretch of land Tell that to the Ukrainians living in Lviv and Kiev and countless other cities where Russian missiles rain down daily. The Russians even destroy childrens cancer hospitals... https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-bombing-hospital-cancer-0ac47b944af2ed20d840563727836f53 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-bombing-hospi...
      - Yawrehto 2y ago
        Are they trying to be cartoon villains? Because that's what a cliched villain with no actual personality does. Do stuff with children's cancer [anything]. But yes, just because people can get weirdly used to a war, particularly the news, doesn't mean that it's not happening or bad or intense.
        verdverm 2y ago
        even more so, in this case, they are getting the Russian influenced version of what the war is like... "it's just a border dispute" in reality it is the largest war in Europe since WW2
      - racional 2y ago
        The war is evil and stupid and we all know who is to blame. However, missiles are not raining down "daily" on Kyiv, and certainly not on Lviv (which has seen relatively few missile strikes in fact). Or anywhere else, except places very close to the front. Are they trying to be cartoon villains? Believe it or not they imagine themselves to be worldly statesmen, and are doing what they are doing as means of finally achieving Augenhöhe (eye-to-eye respect) from their Western counterparts, in fact. "They get to bomb hospitals by mistake or otherwise in the course of their military adventures, so why can't we?" is their basic line of reasoning.
      - rightbyte 2y ago
beardyw 2y ago
With Trump's remarks about Taiwan it seems the US is backing off it's idea of being a peacekeeper. If it's military is only for defence it could be shrunk massively.
- verdverm 2y ago
  Donald does not speak for all of America, nor is he the president He says whatever he thinks will make his ratings go up. So the people and media just need to frame what he sees in the way we want to shape his opinion
  - beardyw 2y ago
    > He says whatever he thinks will make his ratings go up. So the people and media just need to frame what he sees in the way we want to shape his opinion That's how you deal with a toddler.
baybal2 2y ago
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8 points by kioku 2y ago

RcouF1uZ4gsC 2y ago

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rightbyte 2y ago
These kind of people are emotion driven I believe. I don't think you should try to rationalize their reasoning.
credit_guy 2y ago
It appears that's their thesis. Even if they were right, they commit a huge fallacy. They think that a surge would automatically lead to significant results on the battlefield. But what if it doesn't? What if it's a repeat of the Summer of 2023? Then you embolden Russia, and you get the opposite effect of what you aim for.
bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
Self imposing restrictions and telegraphing them to the enemy is a recipe for losing, because now the enemy knows what it can and can't do. No, the west needs to leave the possibility of escalation open. Or what do you suggest? That we tell Russia "no matter what you do, we won't escalate and so the consequences for you won't be too bad". That's not rational. It's like you're playing chess, and part of your strategy is telling your opponent "if you go there I'll take your queen" so your opponent knows what to do. Stop this tHiS wIlL eScAlAtE nonsense please.
timeon 2y ago
Escalate? They have already invaded independent country.
- rightbyte 2y ago
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  - verdverm 2y ago
    > rather cermonial on a stretch of land Tell that to the Ukrainians living in Lviv and Kiev and countless other cities where Russian missiles rain down daily. The Russians even destroy childrens cancer hospitals... https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-bombing-hospital-cancer-0ac47b944af2ed20d840563727836f53 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-bombing-hospi...
    - Yawrehto 2y ago
      Are they trying to be cartoon villains? Because that's what a cliched villain with no actual personality does. Do stuff with children's cancer [anything]. But yes, just because people can get weirdly used to a war, particularly the news, doesn't mean that it's not happening or bad or intense.
      - verdverm 2y ago
        even more so, in this case, they are getting the Russian influenced version of what the war is like... "it's just a border dispute" in reality it is the largest war in Europe since WW2
    - racional 2y ago
      The war is evil and stupid and we all know who is to blame. However, missiles are not raining down "daily" on Kyiv, and certainly not on Lviv (which has seen relatively few missile strikes in fact). Or anywhere else, except places very close to the front. Are they trying to be cartoon villains? Believe it or not they imagine themselves to be worldly statesmen, and are doing what they are doing as means of finally achieving Augenhöhe (eye-to-eye respect) from their Western counterparts, in fact. "They get to bomb hospitals by mistake or otherwise in the course of their military adventures, so why can't we?" is their basic line of reasoning.
    - rightbyte 2y ago

beardyw 2y ago

With Trump's remarks about Taiwan it seems the US is backing off it's idea of being a peacekeeper. If it's military is only for defence it could be shrunk massively.

verdverm 2y ago
Donald does not speak for all of America, nor is he the president He says whatever he thinks will make his ratings go up. So the people and media just need to frame what he sees in the way we want to shape his opinion
- beardyw 2y ago
  > He says whatever he thinks will make his ratings go up. So the people and media just need to frame what he sees in the way we want to shape his opinion That's how you deal with a toddler.

baybal2 2y ago

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