3 ms·

might I suggest that 'allowed discussion' isn't at all a metric by which to judge whether or not there are efforts to delegitimize a topic. might I also sugges

by serf 2y ago

might I suggest that 'allowed discussion' isn't at all a metric by which to judge whether or not there are efforts to delegitimize a topic. might I also suggest that sufficiently skilled efforts to direct a conversation will not be detected by most conversation participants.

saagarjha 2y ago
In that case I would suggest that 't0lo provide us with receipts considering that most of us are not skilled enough to detect these efforts
- boffinAudio 2y ago
  To adequately address this claim, we (the general HN public) would need to be able to access all of the metrics regarding censored/downvoted-into-oblivion articles on HN related to Israel/Mossad/Gaza/War Crimes/etc., and we all know that there is only one individual with such power, and its not exactly in their job description to reveal to this audience just how far and wide the obfuscation/censorship goes ..
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    Again: I keep track of mercenary spyware pretty closely. Almost all major stories in this area end up on the front page within hours or days of them breaking, especially if they have significant new information in them. I am not an expert on any topic that touches Israel but this is the one I watch and I see no reason to believe there is suppression of this topic. If someone is acting to try to keep this away from the site, then they are evidently fairly ineffective at it.
    - hulitu 2y ago
      > If someone is acting to try to keep this away from the site, then they are evidently fairly ineffective at it. Keeping away, no. But they are trying hard and mostly succeed to deviate the discussion.
boffinAudio 2y ago
>might I also suggest that sufficiently skilled efforts to direct a conversation will not be detected by most conversation participants. .. and, even more importantly, the censorship cannot be considered successful on the part of the agency doing the censorship unless a) the victim audience do not know the censored information, and b) never know that things were censored. It would appear that attempted obfuscation over this very issue can be observed in a multitude of forms ...

by serf 2y ago

saagarjha 2y ago

In that case I would suggest that 't0lo provide us with receipts considering that most of us are not skilled enough to detect these efforts

boffinAudio 2y ago
To adequately address this claim, we (the general HN public) would need to be able to access all of the metrics regarding censored/downvoted-into-oblivion articles on HN related to Israel/Mossad/Gaza/War Crimes/etc., and we all know that there is only one individual with such power, and its not exactly in their job description to reveal to this audience just how far and wide the obfuscation/censorship goes ..
- saagarjha 2y ago
  Again: I keep track of mercenary spyware pretty closely. Almost all major stories in this area end up on the front page within hours or days of them breaking, especially if they have significant new information in them. I am not an expert on any topic that touches Israel but this is the one I watch and I see no reason to believe there is suppression of this topic. If someone is acting to try to keep this away from the site, then they are evidently fairly ineffective at it.
  - hulitu 2y ago
    > If someone is acting to try to keep this away from the site, then they are evidently fairly ineffective at it. Keeping away, no. But they are trying hard and mostly succeed to deviate the discussion.

boffinAudio 2y ago

>might I also suggest that sufficiently skilled efforts to direct a conversation will not be detected by most conversation participants. .. and, even more importantly, the censorship cannot be considered successful on the part of the agency doing the censorship unless a) the victim audience do not know the censored information, and b) never know that things were censored. It would appear that attempted obfuscation over this very issue can be observed in a multitude of forms ...