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The one thing that would make me buy this machine is the screen. But in apples usual "we know better than you" attitude they don't allow you to run the os at na

The one thing that would make me buy this machine is the screen. But in apples usual "we know better than you" attitude they don't allow you to run the os at native resolution without scaleing. This is a huge deal breaker for me and is the one thing that is turning me off this machine.

aristidb 14y ago
Are you _really_ sure you'd want that (I think my eyes wouldn't like it)? You can run it at 1920x1200 though.
- ntkachov 14y ago
  I might not. But at least give me the option to.
  - cma 14y ago
    why clutter the UI with completely useless options? If someone accidentally set it, they might not even be able to see to undo it.
    - masklinn 14y ago
      > why clutter the UI with completely useless options? A dropdown box does not clutter things. Seriously. It would take 10% of the space of the current weird graphics, and the new one actually frightens me: how is it going to handle setting the resolution of external displays or overhead projectors?
      - glhaynes 14y ago
        "A dropdown box does not clutter things. Seriously." — things an Apple engineer would never say
        masklinn 14y ago
        There are other reasons to dislike or otherwise not use dropboxes: they're technical, they're textual, they're not really intuitive and when there is a high amount of data they're unusable. But clutter is not one of them when you replace it with a combination of two radio buttons and 5 fucking huge buttons, which altogether take about 4 times the surface of the corresponding open dropdown.
  - glhaynes 14y ago
    I'd put $20 on there being a hack within a week to let you "go native". We'll see.
  - grecy 14y ago
    While we're there, we may as well add the 453 non-native resolutions that nobody in their right might ever wants to use. Oh yeah, that would be Windows.
gks 14y ago
You wouldn't be able to even read the text. Scaling is really needed at this point. Primarily due to the size of the screen. If the screen was larger then allowing the native resolution wouldn't be a problem. But at the current screen size (15") you would have a really hard time reading text. There are images out there of each of the hiDPI resolutions including the 1920 resolution. On my 1920x1200 resolution 23" cinema display it is readable. But even I squint a bit at text on this display and it's 23". I can't even imagine trying to use that resolution at 15". Sorry, but Apple's "we know better than you" attitude is spot on with this particular thing. I've been an Apple user for years and bought my first Mac (PowerBook G4) about 10 years ago. My main computer is a Mac Pro (2006) and is in dire need of replacement. I'm pretty peeved that the Mac Pros are not on the upgrade list this week. But I will not argue with them about this particular choice in not allowing native resolution on the new MBP Retina display. Native resolution on that display would be next to impossible to view easily.

aristidb 14y ago

Are you _really_ sure you'd want that (I think my eyes wouldn't like it)? You can run it at 1920x1200 though.

ntkachov 14y ago
I might not. But at least give me the option to.
- cma 14y ago
  why clutter the UI with completely useless options? If someone accidentally set it, they might not even be able to see to undo it.
  - masklinn 14y ago
    > why clutter the UI with completely useless options? A dropdown box does not clutter things. Seriously. It would take 10% of the space of the current weird graphics, and the new one actually frightens me: how is it going to handle setting the resolution of external displays or overhead projectors?
    - glhaynes 14y ago
      "A dropdown box does not clutter things. Seriously." — things an Apple engineer would never say
      - masklinn 14y ago
        There are other reasons to dislike or otherwise not use dropboxes: they're technical, they're textual, they're not really intuitive and when there is a high amount of data they're unusable. But clutter is not one of them when you replace it with a combination of two radio buttons and 5 fucking huge buttons, which altogether take about 4 times the surface of the corresponding open dropdown.
- glhaynes 14y ago
  I'd put $20 on there being a hack within a week to let you "go native". We'll see.
- grecy 14y ago
  While we're there, we may as well add the 453 non-native resolutions that nobody in their right might ever wants to use. Oh yeah, that would be Windows.

gks 14y ago

You wouldn't be able to even read the text. Scaling is really needed at this point. Primarily due to the size of the screen. If the screen was larger then allowing the native resolution wouldn't be a problem. But at the current screen size (15") you would have a really hard time reading text. There are images out there of each of the hiDPI resolutions including the 1920 resolution. On my 1920x1200 resolution 23" cinema display it is readable. But even I squint a bit at text on this display and it's 23". I can't even imagine trying to use that resolution at 15". Sorry, but Apple's "we know better than you" attitude is spot on with this particular thing. I've been an Apple user for years and bought my first Mac (PowerBook G4) about 10 years ago. My main computer is a Mac Pro (2006) and is in dire need of replacement. I'm pretty peeved that the Mac Pros are not on the upgrade list this week. But I will not argue with them about this particular choice in not allowing native resolution on the new MBP Retina display. Native resolution on that display would be next to impossible to view easily.