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Now please use the barista argument on what house wives should be paid.

by cen4 2y ago

beambot 2y ago
Turns out you can't project human values into a single (monetary) dimension... Similarly, my estimate of the value of my life (infinite) differs from how society would broadly estimate it actuarily. Such is the nature of things.
- cen4 2y ago
  Nature of things is always changing. Once upon a time the King or Land Lord or Factory owner handed off all the shares to the eldest son. Doesn't happen anymore. Also remember Bezos and Gates had to hand over a chunk of their wealth on divorce. That didn't happen without the nature of things changing.
phkahler 2y ago
>> ...what house wives should be paid. House wives are often very well compensated. They have a home they don't pay for. They often have a bank account they can use to cover expenses (effectively direct deposite). The entire reason alimony exists is an acknowledgement that she has effectively been getting that benefit from the marriage and is not prepared to abruptly lose it in a divorce even after splitting the assets. Assets? Right, that's also part of the compensation package.
- cen4 2y ago
  Domesticated animals are also housed and taken care off very well. Their appearance is beautiful and they are very grateful to their masters. The circus lion is bred and trained from birth not ask too many questions. But once you give the circus lion access to the internet, sooner or later the lion is going to ask why am I jumping through hoops? It just take one of them to find a better answer and a better purpose in life to walk off the circus, for all the others to see what options they have to totally disrupt the foundations of the circus. The circus managers and the circus have elements of domination and exploitation that have been swept under the carpet. Its good to recognize them. Otherwise surprises and shocks are on the road ahead.
  - jack_pp 2y ago
    I'm sorry but how many men do you think enjoy the work they do in order to provide for their family but do it anyway in service of their family? Your analogies are all over the place, like a dog's life is similar to a circus tiger? A lot of women find that they've been sold this lie that getting a corporate 9-5 is more empowering than caring for their children or even having children at all and are going back to traditional roles for a reason. Truth is few people men or women find a way to support themselves that is meaningful and most men or women if given the choice of not working at all and just spending time with family while financially well off would take that in an instant
    - cen4 2y ago
      Those who can escape the construct will do so. The number of routes available have increased thanks to globalization. You are not being imaginative enough. Look at people who don't have opportunities in their countries. Do they sit there and cry we don't have opportunities or are they moving? People are watching all this on their streams 24x7. And one thing people are good at is blindly copying what others are doing. Those who are clinging to the status quo are totally delusional about what globalization has done to the West.
      - jack_pp 2y ago
        What construct? Having a job is also a construct and it seems it's the dominant one. 26% of women are housewives [1]. The status quo is working mothers, are you a chatbot that thinks this is the fifties? I'd say you are being too imaginative. You are framing a traditional family as this abusive thing, master and slave except it's 2024. Marriage, at least in the US is extremely dangerous to men, if their wives divorce them, men could be forced to support them or else go to jail so who really has the power in the relationship since the govt has given all the power to women? 1. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/03/almost-1-in-5-stay-at-home-parents-in-the-us-are-dads/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/03/almost-1-...
        cen4 2y ago
- keybored 2y ago
  > The entire reason alimony exists is an acknowledgement that she has effectively been getting that benefit from the marriage and is not prepared to abruptly lose it in a divorce even after splitting the assets. Perhaps partly. But there’s also the loss of professional work experience if she has been a full-time housewife.
Qwertious 2y ago
The word "housewife" is interesting - the job of housewives has historically been to spin thread and make clothes, which was at the bare minimum 40 hours a week of work. This is on top of cooking, cleaning, and childrearing, which was its own full-time job. There's this myth of the idle housewife which was true, but only for the aristocracy and in the last few decades, the upper middle class (who are tooootally separate from the aristocracy, yes sirree). Most housewives, for most of history, have worked full-time.

Now please use the barista argument on what house wives should be paid.

by cen4 2y ago

Now please use the barista argument on what house wives should be paid.

Turns out you can't project human values into a single (monetary) dimension... Similarly, my estimate of the value of my life (infinite) differs from how society would broadly estimate it actuarily. Such is the nature of things.

cen4 2y ago
Nature of things is always changing. Once upon a time the King or Land Lord or Factory owner handed off all the shares to the eldest son. Doesn't happen anymore. Also remember Bezos and Gates had to hand over a chunk of their wealth on divorce. That didn't happen without the nature of things changing.

phkahler 2y ago

>> ...what house wives should be paid. House wives are often very well compensated. They have a home they don't pay for. They often have a bank account they can use to cover expenses (effectively direct deposite). The entire reason alimony exists is an acknowledgement that she has effectively been getting that benefit from the marriage and is not prepared to abruptly lose it in a divorce even after splitting the assets. Assets? Right, that's also part of the compensation package.

cen4 2y ago
Domesticated animals are also housed and taken care off very well. Their appearance is beautiful and they are very grateful to their masters. The circus lion is bred and trained from birth not ask too many questions. But once you give the circus lion access to the internet, sooner or later the lion is going to ask why am I jumping through hoops? It just take one of them to find a better answer and a better purpose in life to walk off the circus, for all the others to see what options they have to totally disrupt the foundations of the circus. The circus managers and the circus have elements of domination and exploitation that have been swept under the carpet. Its good to recognize them. Otherwise surprises and shocks are on the road ahead.
- jack_pp 2y ago
  I'm sorry but how many men do you think enjoy the work they do in order to provide for their family but do it anyway in service of their family? Your analogies are all over the place, like a dog's life is similar to a circus tiger? A lot of women find that they've been sold this lie that getting a corporate 9-5 is more empowering than caring for their children or even having children at all and are going back to traditional roles for a reason. Truth is few people men or women find a way to support themselves that is meaningful and most men or women if given the choice of not working at all and just spending time with family while financially well off would take that in an instant
  - cen4 2y ago
    Those who can escape the construct will do so. The number of routes available have increased thanks to globalization. You are not being imaginative enough. Look at people who don't have opportunities in their countries. Do they sit there and cry we don't have opportunities or are they moving? People are watching all this on their streams 24x7. And one thing people are good at is blindly copying what others are doing. Those who are clinging to the status quo are totally delusional about what globalization has done to the West.
    - jack_pp 2y ago
      What construct? Having a job is also a construct and it seems it's the dominant one. 26% of women are housewives [1]. The status quo is working mothers, are you a chatbot that thinks this is the fifties? I'd say you are being too imaginative. You are framing a traditional family as this abusive thing, master and slave except it's 2024. Marriage, at least in the US is extremely dangerous to men, if their wives divorce them, men could be forced to support them or else go to jail so who really has the power in the relationship since the govt has given all the power to women? 1. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/03/almost-1-in-5-stay-at-home-parents-in-the-us-are-dads/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/03/almost-1-...
      - cen4 2y ago
keybored 2y ago
> The entire reason alimony exists is an acknowledgement that she has effectively been getting that benefit from the marriage and is not prepared to abruptly lose it in a divorce even after splitting the assets. Perhaps partly. But there’s also the loss of professional work experience if she has been a full-time housewife.

Qwertious 2y ago

The word "housewife" is interesting - the job of housewives has historically been to spin thread and make clothes, which was at the bare minimum 40 hours a week of work. This is on top of cooking, cleaning, and childrearing, which was its own full-time job. There's this myth of the idle housewife which was true, but only for the aristocracy and in the last few decades, the upper middle class (who are tooootally separate from the aristocracy, yes sirree). Most housewives, for most of history, have worked full-time.