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> Your browser [Firefox] is not supported. See supported browsers Welcome to 2007 I guess!

by Humphrey 2y ago

ahahahahah 2y ago
Yeah, I don't think you should expect people to support every niche browser.
- flanked-evergl 2y ago
  I think you should expect Apple to follow web standards.
- DaSHacka 2y ago
  Ironic, considering that Safari is typically the odd one out that sites choose to ignore.
reddalo 2y ago
Not only Firefox is not supported, but even Chrome on Linux doesn't work. It's embarrassing for a company such as Apple.
- randomdata 2y ago
  > Not only Firefox is not supported, but even Chrome on Linux doesn't work. Which strongly suggests that it makes use of H.265 content somewhere (the source code corroborates such functionality), likely as a carry over from content created for the iOS/macOS versions of Apple Maps where support is granted. > It's embarrassing for a company such as Apple. To be fair, it is still in beta. There is still plenty of time for them to recreate the content in a format with wider support before release. Much more embarrassing is that we enable this state of affairs. The situation that keeps Firefox and Linux from jumping all over H.265 is not some natural property of the universe, it's just a social construct that we uphold by willing choice.
  - oarsinsync 2y ago
    > The situation that keeps Firefox and Linux from jumping all over H.265 is not some natural property of the universe, it's just a social construct that we uphold by willing choice. Can you elaborate and/or link me to anything related to this?
    - randomdata 2y ago
      No. I'm good. Thanks for asking, though.
    - vetinari 2y ago
      Patents. To distribute the codec itself or content, you might have to pay patent fees. For codecs, they are not flat fee[1], but per piece shipped. Which obviously, presents a problem for linux distributions. Even if they had money, they cannot count how many instances there are. [1] Well, there is a ceiling, if you ship a insanely huge number of them. Linux isn't it. Cisco is, which is why we have openh264 binaries by them.
    - echoangle 2y ago
      I think this has some info: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332136 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332136 Basically, H.265 is based on some patents and you would have to license them to be allowed to implement the Codec. Mozilla categorically doesn’t want to do that until they can implement it without any patents.
- DragonStrength 2y ago
  Embarrassing to not support something on day one of a beta? I wouldn’t feel any.
  - pantalaimon 2y ago
    How is Chrome on Linux different than Chrome on Windows or macOS?
plingbang 2y ago
I understand they "cannot test every possible browser" and that "users may get subpar experience". I don't understand why there isn't "continue at your own risk" button. Maybe with a scary warning. It's kind of stupid that I have to spoof UA for a website to let me in. And in most cases, everything just works fine. Maybe one day I'll create a website to inform about the issue.
veunes 2y ago
Firefox, while still significant, represents a smaller portion of users. But I think that the absence of initial support for Firefox doesn’t necessarily mean it won’t be supported in the future. Yet I hope so.
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> Your browser [Firefox] is not supported. See supported browsers Welcome to 2007 I guess!

ahahahahah 2y ago

Yeah, I don't think you should expect people to support every niche browser.

flanked-evergl 2y ago
I think you should expect Apple to follow web standards.
DaSHacka 2y ago
Ironic, considering that Safari is typically the odd one out that sites choose to ignore.

reddalo 2y ago

Not only Firefox is not supported, but even Chrome on Linux doesn't work. It's embarrassing for a company such as Apple.

randomdata 2y ago
> Not only Firefox is not supported, but even Chrome on Linux doesn't work. Which strongly suggests that it makes use of H.265 content somewhere (the source code corroborates such functionality), likely as a carry over from content created for the iOS/macOS versions of Apple Maps where support is granted. > It's embarrassing for a company such as Apple. To be fair, it is still in beta. There is still plenty of time for them to recreate the content in a format with wider support before release. Much more embarrassing is that we enable this state of affairs. The situation that keeps Firefox and Linux from jumping all over H.265 is not some natural property of the universe, it's just a social construct that we uphold by willing choice.
- oarsinsync 2y ago
  > The situation that keeps Firefox and Linux from jumping all over H.265 is not some natural property of the universe, it's just a social construct that we uphold by willing choice. Can you elaborate and/or link me to anything related to this?
  - randomdata 2y ago
    No. I'm good. Thanks for asking, though.
  - vetinari 2y ago
    Patents. To distribute the codec itself or content, you might have to pay patent fees. For codecs, they are not flat fee[1], but per piece shipped. Which obviously, presents a problem for linux distributions. Even if they had money, they cannot count how many instances there are. [1] Well, there is a ceiling, if you ship a insanely huge number of them. Linux isn't it. Cisco is, which is why we have openh264 binaries by them.
  - echoangle 2y ago
    I think this has some info: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332136 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332136 Basically, H.265 is based on some patents and you would have to license them to be allowed to implement the Codec. Mozilla categorically doesn’t want to do that until they can implement it without any patents.
DragonStrength 2y ago
Embarrassing to not support something on day one of a beta? I wouldn’t feel any.
- pantalaimon 2y ago
  How is Chrome on Linux different than Chrome on Windows or macOS?

plingbang 2y ago

I understand they "cannot test every possible browser" and that "users may get subpar experience". I don't understand why there isn't "continue at your own risk" button. Maybe with a scary warning. It's kind of stupid that I have to spoof UA for a website to let me in. And in most cases, everything just works fine. Maybe one day I'll create a website to inform about the issue.

veunes 2y ago

Firefox, while still significant, represents a smaller portion of users. But I think that the absence of initial support for Firefox doesn’t necessarily mean it won’t be supported in the future. Yet I hope so.

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