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You were young and not working. The world was full of new frontiers and possibilities. Young people today are on Minecraft, Roblox, VRchat, Discord, and YouTub

You were young and not working. The world was full of new frontiers and possibilities. Young people today are on Minecraft, Roblox, VRchat, Discord, and YouTube. That's their frontier internet, and they probably feel the same way about it as you do. A Geocities website, phpBB or EZBoard, webring, Xanga, and AIM/IRC has a similar analogues today. The pieces just have different names and shapes.

dartos 2y ago
And different monetization strategies.
ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
I get this argument from a lot of people but it is not true. There was a much higher spirit of sharing and just cool shit back in the day. Now everyone is trying to make a buck, and shit is slow, like Slack.
- GardenLetter27 2y ago
  There still is amongst the users on Discord, e.g. in some gamedev Discords, etc. - it's even easier to do things together ad-hoc with screen sharing built-in. It really is just that we're old now so we don't interact with them. Although I agree the grindset culture has harmed Internet culture.
  - ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
    I'm in my 30s and I am interact a lot with discord. I agree gamedev is one last large scale space where interesting things happen. But overall people are just trying to optimize total compensation and bend over backwards to get into FAANG. Imagine telling us to get into IBM back in the day. So things have definitely changed. The punk spirit has also been lost. Normies have arrived. It's good for the normies, but we won't get a Napster again.
wiseowise 2y ago
That’s not the point. Modern crap doesn’t hold a candle to what we had back then. And no, this is not the rambling of getting-older-man. Rampant corporate control, completely sanitized internet by default, “social” networks that literally give kids https://cwi.pressbooks.pub/urj/chapter/2022-first-place-instagrams-influence-on-young-adults-the-negative-impact-on-mental-health/# https://cwi.pressbooks.pub/urj/chapter/2022-first-place-inst... mental disorders, political agenda pushed from every hole, disinformation campaigns, bots to the point where you don’t even know if you’re talking to a real person. Internet became a weapon. Back then we an intranet within local ISP (additionally to internet access) that had a sense of community, local services, file sharing, chats, meetups which generally self moderated themselves and everyone knew each other. What do you have now? Proprietary discord chat rooms filled with degeneracy? Good luck going through that. Say what you want, but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September is real.
- mlyle 2y ago
  I think there is great stuff on Discord and people do the same things they did then and enjoy similar tomfoolery.. they just don’t own it and are monetized, and don’t have viable alternatives (none of which was true back then). I think the big reason why social media is toxic is because going online is no longer a choice and it follows you around. Some decisions by social media providers aren’t helping, but mobile is more guilty than social itself.

dartos 2y ago

And different monetization strategies.

ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago

I get this argument from a lot of people but it is not true. There was a much higher spirit of sharing and just cool shit back in the day. Now everyone is trying to make a buck, and shit is slow, like Slack.

GardenLetter27 2y ago
There still is amongst the users on Discord, e.g. in some gamedev Discords, etc. - it's even easier to do things together ad-hoc with screen sharing built-in. It really is just that we're old now so we don't interact with them. Although I agree the grindset culture has harmed Internet culture.
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
  I'm in my 30s and I am interact a lot with discord. I agree gamedev is one last large scale space where interesting things happen. But overall people are just trying to optimize total compensation and bend over backwards to get into FAANG. Imagine telling us to get into IBM back in the day. So things have definitely changed. The punk spirit has also been lost. Normies have arrived. It's good for the normies, but we won't get a Napster again.

wiseowise 2y ago

That’s not the point. Modern crap doesn’t hold a candle to what we had back then. And no, this is not the rambling of getting-older-man. Rampant corporate control, completely sanitized internet by default, “social” networks that literally give kids https://cwi.pressbooks.pub/urj/chapter/2022-first-place-instagrams-influence-on-young-adults-the-negative-impact-on-mental-health/# https://cwi.pressbooks.pub/urj/chapter/2022-first-place-inst... mental disorders, political agenda pushed from every hole, disinformation campaigns, bots to the point where you don’t even know if you’re talking to a real person. Internet became a weapon. Back then we an intranet within local ISP (additionally to internet access) that had a sense of community, local services, file sharing, chats, meetups which generally self moderated themselves and everyone knew each other. What do you have now? Proprietary discord chat rooms filled with degeneracy? Good luck going through that. Say what you want, but https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September is real.

mlyle 2y ago
I think there is great stuff on Discord and people do the same things they did then and enjoy similar tomfoolery.. they just don’t own it and are monetized, and don’t have viable alternatives (none of which was true back then). I think the big reason why social media is toxic is because going online is no longer a choice and it follows you around. Some decisions by social media providers aren’t helping, but mobile is more guilty than social itself.