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I am heavily invested in Apple for the record. I use everything from Mac Pro, iMac (all versions), all of their MBPs (no airs), iPhones, iPads etc. I have inves

I am heavily invested in Apple for the record. I use everything from Mac Pro, iMac (all versions), all of their MBPs (no airs), iPhones, iPads etc. I have invested over $30k in their hardware, so that gives me some right to criticize their direction. All of the computers have been updated post purchase. I've put more RAM into iMacs, more RAM and SSDs into MBPs, and Mac Pros got more RAM, video cards, SSDs, HDDs etc. In fact, one of the very first things I do is buy more RAM for my MBPs because it is more economical to do it yourself. Then if you wait 2 years, you can again double your RAM for extremely low price. If Apple were making only this harder because of physical design constraints, you would have a point. But they are also artificially constraining the OS to make it more appliance like, and less and less UNIX like. But that's OK. Most of the users wouldn't know UNIX from eunuchs anyway.

masklinn 14y ago
> In fact, one of the very first things I do is buy more RAM for my MBPs because it is more economical to do it yourself. While that is historically true, it's not really the case for the new MBP: the 16GB RAM update costs $200, 2x8GB sticks cost ~150 at crucial. Meh. > Then if you wait 2 years, you can again double your RAM for extremely low price. Unless the chipset is at its physical limits, which is usually the case if you upgraded the RAM once on purchase.
- tl 14y ago
  >While that is historically true, it's not really the case for the new MBP: the 16GB RAM update costs $200, 2x8GB sticks cost ~150 at crucial. Meh. 2x8GB is ~$150. 2x4GB is ~$50[1]. Apple is charging $200 for a $100 bump in component costs. 100% markup is excessive. [1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233242 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233...
  - cmsj 14y ago
    Note that while their margin on RAM is high, ther average margin across all products is, afair, over 40% We nerds need to accept that we ate not apple's focus anymore. Just spec your machine high, pony up lots of money, enjoy the shit out of it.
    - masklinn 14y ago
      > We nerds need to accept that we ate not apple's focus anymore. Anymore? It's never been Apple's focus

masklinn 14y ago

> In fact, one of the very first things I do is buy more RAM for my MBPs because it is more economical to do it yourself. While that is historically true, it's not really the case for the new MBP: the 16GB RAM update costs $200, 2x8GB sticks cost ~150 at crucial. Meh. > Then if you wait 2 years, you can again double your RAM for extremely low price. Unless the chipset is at its physical limits, which is usually the case if you upgraded the RAM once on purchase.

tl 14y ago
>While that is historically true, it's not really the case for the new MBP: the 16GB RAM update costs $200, 2x8GB sticks cost ~150 at crucial. Meh. 2x8GB is ~$150. 2x4GB is ~$50[1]. Apple is charging $200 for a $100 bump in component costs. 100% markup is excessive. [1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233242 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233...
- cmsj 14y ago
  Note that while their margin on RAM is high, ther average margin across all products is, afair, over 40% We nerds need to accept that we ate not apple's focus anymore. Just spec your machine high, pony up lots of money, enjoy the shit out of it.
  - masklinn 14y ago
    > We nerds need to accept that we ate not apple's focus anymore. Anymore? It's never been Apple's focus