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Can you think of any downside of that proposal at all? Tax inclusive total means government can screw the business and the end user and hide behind the tax inc

by tgma 2y ago

Can you think of any downside of that proposal at all? Tax inclusive total means government can screw the business and the end user and hide behind the tax inclusive price tag. Jack up the tax it seems the business is doing it.

jcranmer 2y ago
Funny, given that the product most US consumers are familiar with tax-inclusive pricing (gasoline) is the one product that hasn't had its tax rate changed in decades.
- DragonStrength 2y ago
  Where? They’re constantly futzing with the taxes on it in my state.
ceejayoz 2y ago
Nothing says you can’t put ($40 of this is government taxes) in the receipt.
mkl 2y ago
Tax-exclusive prices hide the true cost and encourage overspending by making things falsely appear cheaper. Their purpose is for businesses to squeeze more from their customers. In NZ the price you see is the price you pay. The sales tax amount is always clearly stated on receipts, invoices, checkouts, online carts, etc. (by law) and the rate has changed twice in history, so everyone knows when it happens and who is responsible. Everything is explicit and nothing is or can be hidden (we don't do tipping either). In comparison when I visited the USA I never knew how much I would be paying for things, which felt fundamentally unfair and customer-opposed.
girvo 2y ago
...the receipts show what tax is charged in the total. This is a total non-issue. Tax-exclusive pricing is ridiculous.
cozzyd 2y ago
Tax rates are easily discoverable (more so than currently hidden things like tariffs).
Arn_Thor 2y ago
The government can not "screw the business and the end user" because tax rates are public. VAT changes don't just happen in secret. Tax changes to specific product categories (such as extra taxes for alcohol in some countries) are publically debated. And if you want lower taxes you try to vote in a more economically right-wing government. The framing of your statement makes it clear you just don't trust/like governments. That's fine, I guess, but it's an incredibly strong bias in your arguments

by tgma 2y ago

jcranmer 2y ago

Funny, given that the product most US consumers are familiar with tax-inclusive pricing (gasoline) is the one product that hasn't had its tax rate changed in decades.

DragonStrength 2y ago
Where? They’re constantly futzing with the taxes on it in my state.

ceejayoz 2y ago

Nothing says you can’t put ($40 of this is government taxes) in the receipt.

mkl 2y ago

Tax-exclusive prices hide the true cost and encourage overspending by making things falsely appear cheaper. Their purpose is for businesses to squeeze more from their customers. In NZ the price you see is the price you pay. The sales tax amount is always clearly stated on receipts, invoices, checkouts, online carts, etc. (by law) and the rate has changed twice in history, so everyone knows when it happens and who is responsible. Everything is explicit and nothing is or can be hidden (we don't do tipping either). In comparison when I visited the USA I never knew how much I would be paying for things, which felt fundamentally unfair and customer-opposed.

girvo 2y ago

...the receipts show what tax is charged in the total. This is a total non-issue. Tax-exclusive pricing is ridiculous.

cozzyd 2y ago

Tax rates are easily discoverable (more so than currently hidden things like tariffs).

Arn_Thor 2y ago

The government can not "screw the business and the end user" because tax rates are public. VAT changes don't just happen in secret. Tax changes to specific product categories (such as extra taxes for alcohol in some countries) are publically debated. And if you want lower taxes you try to vote in a more economically right-wing government. The framing of your statement makes it clear you just don't trust/like governments. That's fine, I guess, but it's an incredibly strong bias in your arguments