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>attack Damn, what a way to prove my point! Even opinions in an online forum are "attack" :) The simple fact is that (1) Drivers are subsidised by the state

>attack Damn, what a way to prove my point! Even opinions in an online forum are "attack" :) The simple fact is that (1) Drivers are subsidised by the state and by all of us, directly through such freebies as road construction and maintenance (which is horrendously expensive) and indirectly through such nice externalities that society must bear, such as the tens of thousands of deaths yearly (2-3 million worldwide) from crashes, pollution, etc. (2) Driving is the mode of transportation that is taken as default and that everything else must bow to: roads are first-class, then sidewalks, bus stops, cycle "lanes", etc, are an afterthought that must bend to the car traffic space, if they exist at all (3) Past a certain density it's literally physically impossible that people move around in automobiles Look I don't want to "defund roads", I'd already be happy if a tiny fraction of the money and attention that goes to driving would be devoted to other forms of transport.

alias_neo 2y ago
> roads are first-class, then sidewalks, bus stops, cycle "lanes", etc, are an afterthought that must bend to the car traffic space, if they exist at all I agree, and it's not right. Perhaps see some of my other points to see that we're not disagreeing with each other, I just phrased my initial point poorly due to misunderstanding of the term "war on drivers", which I don't be using again. > Look I don't want to "defund roads", I'd already be happy if a tiny fraction of the money and attention that goes to driving would be devoted to other forms of transport. I have no problem with "defund roads" as such, but I'd like to see something suitable and workable in their place before that. I don't think ploughing on with unfair costs, ICE bans and electrification in spite of it all, is the solution; we'll just be left with more expensive, less productive ways to get around that cause more damage in other ways (EVs are terrifying as a pedestrian or cyclist), the potential for lithium fires, more devastating crashes, battery lifetimes, etc, and most half decent EVs are priced in the "luxury" vehicle category. My one minor ask, if I could have one thing _now_? Update legislation to make privately owning and using e-scooters a thing on the roads.

alias_neo 2y ago

> roads are first-class, then sidewalks, bus stops, cycle "lanes", etc, are an afterthought that must bend to the car traffic space, if they exist at all I agree, and it's not right. Perhaps see some of my other points to see that we're not disagreeing with each other, I just phrased my initial point poorly due to misunderstanding of the term "war on drivers", which I don't be using again. > Look I don't want to "defund roads", I'd already be happy if a tiny fraction of the money and attention that goes to driving would be devoted to other forms of transport. I have no problem with "defund roads" as such, but I'd like to see something suitable and workable in their place before that. I don't think ploughing on with unfair costs, ICE bans and electrification in spite of it all, is the solution; we'll just be left with more expensive, less productive ways to get around that cause more damage in other ways (EVs are terrifying as a pedestrian or cyclist), the potential for lithium fires, more devastating crashes, battery lifetimes, etc, and most half decent EVs are priced in the "luxury" vehicle category. My one minor ask, if I could have one thing _now_? Update legislation to make privately owning and using e-scooters a thing on the roads.