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Such as?

chgs 2y ago
Manchester to Liverpool and Birmingham, Birmingham to Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle All relied on phase 2 though, freeing up capacity through Stockport and winsford, adding it for man-Liverpool/glasgow, freeing up the painful cross country services from Leeds, etc
- panick21_ 2y ago
  Its crazy how nobody understands what HS2 was designed to do.
  - GJim 2y ago
    I blame the name "High Speed 2". It was never about improving speed (at least not in any meaningful sense), it was about improving capacity.
    - panick21_ 2y ago
      Yes. A smarter way to do this was not having some separate thing. It should just be 'BritishRail' and 'HS2' should simple be one of many 'Future BritishRail' upgrade paths. You could call the project, 'HighSpeed North-South Mainline'. Make it boring so sensationalized headlines aren't as interesting. Make people who are against it answer the question "Why are you against the rail system". Now they constantly say 'Pro Rail, against HS2' (even if that's BS).
    - chgs 2y ago
      “WCML 6 track project”
  - switch007 2y ago
    It's crazy how oversold the project is/was too. Honestly some people believe it will fix every congestion problem in England
    - panick21_ 2y ago
      That just nonsense. The media at large barley ever even even talked about the effect on capacity. Most people didn't even know anything beyond X fast to city Y. Once you get to the people who understand capacity, most are well aware that it doesnt solve everything. Nobody believed it would solve issues to the South or the West. Critics almost universally used the 'we should use the money to increase capacity line'. As if that not what HS2 was designed to do. HS2 certainly creates more capacity then anything else proposed, certently more then some of the ideas thrown out 'improving X other line'. And it serves as a excelent backbone to address other capacity issues that exists in the network.
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- switch007 2y ago
  Amazing. I bet HS2 was going to fix congestion in Penzance too So much coolaid being drunk Note how Sheffield, Newcastle and Liverpool aren't in any HS2 plans... I'm in favour of rail projects. I just dislike the dishonesty about the benefits
  - chgs 2y ago
    Newcastle and Sheffield ran over eastern leg, Newcastle especially benefiting on services to Birmingham. Liverpool on the western leg. I always felt landing the leg south of Acton bridge was odd as it meant you still had the winsford bottleneck, but again better service to Birmingham and London Improved services from Liverpool to Manchester relies on the airport-centre leg in Manchester to avoid castlefield and Stockport bottlenecks

Such as?

chgs 2y ago

Manchester to Liverpool and Birmingham, Birmingham to Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle All relied on phase 2 though, freeing up capacity through Stockport and winsford, adding it for man-Liverpool/glasgow, freeing up the painful cross country services from Leeds, etc

panick21_ 2y ago
Its crazy how nobody understands what HS2 was designed to do.
- GJim 2y ago
  I blame the name "High Speed 2". It was never about improving speed (at least not in any meaningful sense), it was about improving capacity.
  - panick21_ 2y ago
    Yes. A smarter way to do this was not having some separate thing. It should just be 'BritishRail' and 'HS2' should simple be one of many 'Future BritishRail' upgrade paths. You could call the project, 'HighSpeed North-South Mainline'. Make it boring so sensationalized headlines aren't as interesting. Make people who are against it answer the question "Why are you against the rail system". Now they constantly say 'Pro Rail, against HS2' (even if that's BS).
  - chgs 2y ago
    “WCML 6 track project”
- switch007 2y ago
  It's crazy how oversold the project is/was too. Honestly some people believe it will fix every congestion problem in England
  - panick21_ 2y ago
    That just nonsense. The media at large barley ever even even talked about the effect on capacity. Most people didn't even know anything beyond X fast to city Y. Once you get to the people who understand capacity, most are well aware that it doesnt solve everything. Nobody believed it would solve issues to the South or the West. Critics almost universally used the 'we should use the money to increase capacity line'. As if that not what HS2 was designed to do. HS2 certainly creates more capacity then anything else proposed, certently more then some of the ideas thrown out 'improving X other line'. And it serves as a excelent backbone to address other capacity issues that exists in the network.
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switch007 2y ago
Amazing. I bet HS2 was going to fix congestion in Penzance too So much coolaid being drunk Note how Sheffield, Newcastle and Liverpool aren't in any HS2 plans... I'm in favour of rail projects. I just dislike the dishonesty about the benefits
- chgs 2y ago
  Newcastle and Sheffield ran over eastern leg, Newcastle especially benefiting on services to Birmingham. Liverpool on the western leg. I always felt landing the leg south of Acton bridge was odd as it meant you still had the winsford bottleneck, but again better service to Birmingham and London Improved services from Liverpool to Manchester relies on the airport-centre leg in Manchester to avoid castlefield and Stockport bottlenecks