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Why there are so many errors with Intel cpus lately? CPUs used to be the most reliable parts of a computer. Are there too many "moving"variables to extensively

Why there are so many errors with Intel cpus lately? CPUs used to be the most reliable parts of a computer. Are there too many "moving"variables to extensively test everything? Is it no longer possible to grab the speed crown without cutting corners?

Bluescreenbuddy 2y ago
Since Skylake. It's the reason Apple dumped them.
shrubble 2y ago
They had problems in the move to new fab sizes and are scrambling to show good numbers vs. AMD and their own previous generations so they can sell new CPUs.
- moffkalast 2y ago
  Intel's been asleep for a decade. Anyone still remembers how they charged outrageous prices for 1-3% improvements every year during AMD's Bulldozer years? They did nothing in R&D and just kept printing money. Yeah this is the result of that complacency. Ever since the first Ryzen launched Intel's become more and more irrelevant. If either AMD manages to capture the low TDP and embedded market or ARM improves in compatibility they'll become largely the last choice for anything. They're so damn lucky AMD is fantastic at shooting themselves in the foot.
  - TwoNineA 2y ago
    Ryzen and Apple M1 were the best things that happened to CPUs. On one hand I got a super efficient CPU in the M1 and on other hand, I can get a very performant 16 core CPU (Ryzen 7950x) without shelling out insane money for server/workstation CPUs.
  - josemanuel 2y ago
    Also they seem to have lost a huge amount of senior technical people… I can’t see who’s at the helm to guide the technical choices. They have limited institutional experience now (probably). I don’t think things will improve…
  - paulmd 2y ago
    Not really? Which of these generations do you feel is a 1-3% uplift? https://openbenchmarking.org/vs/Processor/Intel+Core+i7-2600,Intel+Core+i7-3770,Intel+Core+i7-4790 https://openbenchmarking.org/vs/Processor/Intel+Core+i7-2600...
christkv 2y ago
Intel has had years of fab problems for new nodes. This might just be another issue with the nodes not being up to the necessary quality to produce high performance chips.
mook 2y ago
They seem to be in their second Pentium 4 era, pumping up the power to juice more performance when they can't quite compete. Not sure there's gonna be a second Core to rescue them this time, but that doesn't mean they're dead though, far from it.
Arnavion 2y ago
Meltdown already exposed how they cut corners. I lost all intention of giving them any more money for their CPUs after that.

Bluescreenbuddy 2y ago

Since Skylake. It's the reason Apple dumped them.

shrubble 2y ago

They had problems in the move to new fab sizes and are scrambling to show good numbers vs. AMD and their own previous generations so they can sell new CPUs.

moffkalast 2y ago
Intel's been asleep for a decade. Anyone still remembers how they charged outrageous prices for 1-3% improvements every year during AMD's Bulldozer years? They did nothing in R&D and just kept printing money. Yeah this is the result of that complacency. Ever since the first Ryzen launched Intel's become more and more irrelevant. If either AMD manages to capture the low TDP and embedded market or ARM improves in compatibility they'll become largely the last choice for anything. They're so damn lucky AMD is fantastic at shooting themselves in the foot.
- TwoNineA 2y ago
  Ryzen and Apple M1 were the best things that happened to CPUs. On one hand I got a super efficient CPU in the M1 and on other hand, I can get a very performant 16 core CPU (Ryzen 7950x) without shelling out insane money for server/workstation CPUs.
- josemanuel 2y ago
  Also they seem to have lost a huge amount of senior technical people… I can’t see who’s at the helm to guide the technical choices. They have limited institutional experience now (probably). I don’t think things will improve…
- paulmd 2y ago
  Not really? Which of these generations do you feel is a 1-3% uplift? https://openbenchmarking.org/vs/Processor/Intel+Core+i7-2600,Intel+Core+i7-3770,Intel+Core+i7-4790 https://openbenchmarking.org/vs/Processor/Intel+Core+i7-2600...

christkv 2y ago

Intel has had years of fab problems for new nodes. This might just be another issue with the nodes not being up to the necessary quality to produce high performance chips.

mook 2y ago

They seem to be in their second Pentium 4 era, pumping up the power to juice more performance when they can't quite compete. Not sure there's gonna be a second Core to rescue them this time, but that doesn't mean they're dead though, far from it.

Arnavion 2y ago

Meltdown already exposed how they cut corners. I lost all intention of giving them any more money for their CPUs after that.