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If you think Nadella will let OpenAI run out of money, you're dreaming.

by Tossrock 2y ago

iknowSFR 2y ago
Hallucinating*
- Bluestein 2y ago
  "BSing", these days.-
m348e912 2y ago
Nvidia/Microsoft would probably buy all of openAI before letting it fail.
- downrightmike 2y ago
  And then do the typical parting out and consolidation
outside1234 2y ago
no doubt he won't - he will instead buy it all in a firesale
boxed 2y ago
How will he stop it in your opinion? I don't think he has tens of billions in personal wealth...
- Tossrock 2y ago
  He will direct Microsoft to continue investing in them? He's the CEO, and their investment in OpenAI has already paid dividends in the MSFT stock price. There is absolutely no world in which he voluntarily decides, "Actually, a few billion is too expensive for my 3 trillion dollar company, time to jettison the biggest growth driver of the past three years."
  - boxed 2y ago
    Stock price driver. Not growth.
surfingdino 2y ago
Of course he will. He's giving them Azure credits and those cost him less than the alleged $13bn. He has thrown a spanner in the Google's works with his "investment" into OpenAI and that is worth something to MSFT, because it distracted Google for a few years. Unfortunately, LLMs and the rest of AI today are still not good enough to do any useful work, so it's all going down the same path as VR/AR. Ultimately, AI has no platform, no APIs, no standards, so it's impossible to achieve the economies of scale and the low barrier to entry to build something like you can on top of TCP/IP. Google hovered up information and made it accessible via their search service, LLMs are amazing at turning any amount of information into garbage.
- bradyriddle 2y ago
  > LLMs and the rest of AI today are still not good enough to do any useful work, so it's all going down the same path as VR/AR As a former AR/VR dev, this is a wild take to me. Have you used cursor? Have you ever had to write copyright for a website? Have you ever tried to learn something new or ideate with chatgpt? When I was working on immersive apps, I would only ever pick up my device to do dev work. Very rarely would I pick it up outside of that (admittedly, I'm not really a gamer). But I use these new generation of AI tools many times a day.
  - surfingdino 2y ago
    I have. I tried LLMs for creative writing, it was shit. I tried using them for translation, it went off the rails within the first page, then refused to continue. I tried using them to write code, I got an ethics lecture or a perfectly testable code that does not what I asked for. I got tired of trying different LLMs as it makes no sense to waste time and money on this shit. AI companies are the most incompetent IP thieves, they steal content and can't produce anything of value with it.
    - bradyriddle 2y ago
      I think my previous comment came off a little combative. I am genuinely curious about your experience. I fall somewhere in the indie-hacker/entrepreneur/not quite solo-preneur category and these tools have have provided a lot of value to me. I am maybe 3x more productive with them. They are definitely not without their flaws. If you haven't tried cursor out, I recommend giving it a try

If you think Nadella will let OpenAI run out of money, you're dreaming.

iknowSFR 2y ago

Hallucinating*

Bluestein 2y ago
"BSing", these days.-

m348e912 2y ago

Nvidia/Microsoft would probably buy all of openAI before letting it fail.

downrightmike 2y ago
And then do the typical parting out and consolidation

outside1234 2y ago

no doubt he won't - he will instead buy it all in a firesale

boxed 2y ago

How will he stop it in your opinion? I don't think he has tens of billions in personal wealth...

Tossrock 2y ago
He will direct Microsoft to continue investing in them? He's the CEO, and their investment in OpenAI has already paid dividends in the MSFT stock price. There is absolutely no world in which he voluntarily decides, "Actually, a few billion is too expensive for my 3 trillion dollar company, time to jettison the biggest growth driver of the past three years."
- boxed 2y ago
  Stock price driver. Not growth.

surfingdino 2y ago

Of course he will. He's giving them Azure credits and those cost him less than the alleged $13bn. He has thrown a spanner in the Google's works with his "investment" into OpenAI and that is worth something to MSFT, because it distracted Google for a few years. Unfortunately, LLMs and the rest of AI today are still not good enough to do any useful work, so it's all going down the same path as VR/AR. Ultimately, AI has no platform, no APIs, no standards, so it's impossible to achieve the economies of scale and the low barrier to entry to build something like you can on top of TCP/IP. Google hovered up information and made it accessible via their search service, LLMs are amazing at turning any amount of information into garbage.

bradyriddle 2y ago
> LLMs and the rest of AI today are still not good enough to do any useful work, so it's all going down the same path as VR/AR As a former AR/VR dev, this is a wild take to me. Have you used cursor? Have you ever had to write copyright for a website? Have you ever tried to learn something new or ideate with chatgpt? When I was working on immersive apps, I would only ever pick up my device to do dev work. Very rarely would I pick it up outside of that (admittedly, I'm not really a gamer). But I use these new generation of AI tools many times a day.
- surfingdino 2y ago
  I have. I tried LLMs for creative writing, it was shit. I tried using them for translation, it went off the rails within the first page, then refused to continue. I tried using them to write code, I got an ethics lecture or a perfectly testable code that does not what I asked for. I got tired of trying different LLMs as it makes no sense to waste time and money on this shit. AI companies are the most incompetent IP thieves, they steal content and can't produce anything of value with it.
  - bradyriddle 2y ago
    I think my previous comment came off a little combative. I am genuinely curious about your experience. I fall somewhere in the indie-hacker/entrepreneur/not quite solo-preneur category and these tools have have provided a lot of value to me. I am maybe 3x more productive with them. They are definitely not without their flaws. If you haven't tried cursor out, I recommend giving it a try