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This reminds me of the family who was awarded $4 in damages for a wrongful death suit. [0] It's almost worse than nothing. [0] https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/201

This reminds me of the family who was awarded $4 in damages for a wrongful death suit. [0] It's almost worse than nothing. [0] https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2018/06/01/jury-awards-family-four-dollars-wrongful-death-suit-cops-n258646 https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2018/06/01/jury-awards-family-f...

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
It kinda is worse, it's saying, "We admit we fucked up, we admit we owe you, we just don't give a damn." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppercorn_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppercorn_(law)
Algent 2y ago
I wonder when we'll start to have some estimate of indirect/direct death toll. This took down several 911 type services and hospitals, some reported imaging down, some being back to paper and pen at ER.
- entropicdrifter 2y ago
  Don't forget airports. Can't help but wonder how many emergency helicopter rides were delayed
  - wtallis 2y ago
    Were any air traffic control systems affected, or just the computer systems of various airlines?
kube-system 2y ago
At least their domain is descriptive, that article is much to do about nothing -- civil cases aren't criminal cases with a boolean outcome. The award isn't recognition that the life was worth $4, it is a recognition that the defendant did just about nothing wrong.
legitster 2y ago
It was later reduced to 4 cents, and later overturned. https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/st-lucie-county/2022/07/28/jury-finds-no-excessive-force-used-2014-death-gregory-hill-jr/10154030002/ https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/st-lucie-county/2022... All involved very split juries - so I think the low amount was kind of a compromise by the jury in each case.
- evanelias 2y ago
  Interesting to note the particular judge in that case: > jurors sent a note to U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon stating “we are deadlocked. We are unable to come to a unanimous decision.” > Cannon encouraged them to continue deliberating.
  - legitster 2y ago
    In this case the judge does not seem relevant. The decision does need to be unanimous from the jury.
    - evanelias 2y ago
      The judge is always relevant. The judge's decisions throughout the trial can greatly influence its outcome.
    - runlevel1 2y ago
      > The decision does need to be unanimous from the jury. Not in civil trials. Louisiana and Oregon didn't require unanimous juries in many criminal trials either until 2019 and 2020 respectively. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/a4f065037299491913827b7d8eda9023 https://apnews.com/article/a4f065037299491913827b7d8eda9023 [2]: https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/filing-a-lawsuit/trial-and-verdict.html https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/filing-a-lawsuit/trial-an...

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago

It kinda is worse, it's saying, "We admit we fucked up, we admit we owe you, we just don't give a damn." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppercorn_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppercorn_(law)

Algent 2y ago

I wonder when we'll start to have some estimate of indirect/direct death toll. This took down several 911 type services and hospitals, some reported imaging down, some being back to paper and pen at ER.

entropicdrifter 2y ago
Don't forget airports. Can't help but wonder how many emergency helicopter rides were delayed
- wtallis 2y ago
  Were any air traffic control systems affected, or just the computer systems of various airlines?

kube-system 2y ago

At least their domain is descriptive, that article is much to do about nothing -- civil cases aren't criminal cases with a boolean outcome. The award isn't recognition that the life was worth $4, it is a recognition that the defendant did just about nothing wrong.

legitster 2y ago

It was later reduced to 4 cents, and later overturned. https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/st-lucie-county/2022/07/28/jury-finds-no-excessive-force-used-2014-death-gregory-hill-jr/10154030002/ https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/local/st-lucie-county/2022... All involved very split juries - so I think the low amount was kind of a compromise by the jury in each case.

evanelias 2y ago
Interesting to note the particular judge in that case: > jurors sent a note to U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon stating “we are deadlocked. We are unable to come to a unanimous decision.” > Cannon encouraged them to continue deliberating.
- legitster 2y ago
  In this case the judge does not seem relevant. The decision does need to be unanimous from the jury.
  - evanelias 2y ago
    The judge is always relevant. The judge's decisions throughout the trial can greatly influence its outcome.
  - runlevel1 2y ago
    > The decision does need to be unanimous from the jury. Not in civil trials. Louisiana and Oregon didn't require unanimous juries in many criminal trials either until 2019 and 2020 respectively. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/a4f065037299491913827b7d8eda9023 https://apnews.com/article/a4f065037299491913827b7d8eda9023 [2]: https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/filing-a-lawsuit/trial-and-verdict.html https://www.findlaw.com/litigation/filing-a-lawsuit/trial-an...