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Maybe the mice could use mmwave to possibly see through maze walls. Or use a little 360 degree camera on a pole. I assume this would be classed as cheating th
by anfractuosity 2y ago
Maybe the mice could use mmwave to possibly see through maze walls. Or use a little 360 degree camera on a pole. I assume this would be classed as cheating though.
Sounds a fun competition :) Looking at the Veritasium video they're crazy fast.
- ziggyzecat 2y ago> Or use a little 360 degree camera on a pole. that made me chuckle. mmwave to see through walls at that size & speed can't be done yet, or can it?
- anfractuosity 2y agoI'm not sure to be honest. http://rfpose.csail.mit.edu/ http://rfpose.csail.mit.edu/ is something I've come across before to detect pose of a human behind a wall. Just found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpXeO0DYDQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpXeO0DYDQ - "Sense the world with TI mmWave: See through rain and walls, and detect small objects", which looks very interesting. Ti seems to make a number of mmwave evaluation boards/chips.
- ctm92 2y agoI guess if you can pull that off while still maintaining that speed, then it's not cheating. Those things are crazy fast!
- GuB-42 2y agoApparently, using a camera on a pole is not cheating, but it is not really necessary to "see through walls", as the robot has 10 minutes to score the best run, from start to finish, giving the robot enough time to explore the maze and figure out the best path. Only the fastest run counts. The pole can make figuring out the best path easier, but at the cost of making the robot bigger and heavier, which I suppose is a problem when you see how fast the top contenders are moving. Source: https://attend.ieee.org/r2sac-2020/wp-content/uploads/sites/175/2020/01/MicroMouse_Rules_2020.pdf https://attend.ieee.org/r2sac-2020/wp-content/uploads/sites/...
- anfractuosity 2y agoThanks, I didn't realise that regarding the 10 minutes/fastest run.
- hoseja 2y agoThis actually sort of ruins the sport for me. I'm sure there's practical reasons for it, just like with BattleBot but it's just so... lame. Put them into an irregular tunnel maze, time them from the millisecond they enter.
- tjoff 2y agoBut then luck becomes the dominant factor. Whichever robot decides to take a left turn at the right time will win.
- hoseja 2y agoAnd that's bad, how? Is it a sport (where the optimal amount of luck is non-zero) or a scientific study? Also just make them run multiple mazes then. I tend to think of sport fundamentally as simulated warfare, the further you go from the mess of reality in pursuit of fairness and justice, the less worthy the endeavor becomes.
- tjoff 2y agoReducing luck is bad, how? There are scales of it, reducing luck in the sense that you don't require a perfect course. That a speck of dust ruins your run etc. is, within reason, part of the game. But flying blind into a maze and just randomizing your way through it isn't particularly challenging. Just enter the game with a 100 identical robots and you'll have a better chance at winning. Multiple mazes isn't a bad idea, but a massive endeavor just increasing the barrier for these competitions to take place. >... the less worthy ... Why? The most noble sport is a lottery then? Because that is essentially what you would turn this competition into.
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- taneq 2y agoIt’s kind of redundant because they have a reconnaissance phase which is (relatively) untimed. So they can map out the maze at their leisure, then use that map for the time trial.