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The primary question is how efficient pizza is, as a food. Given it can be scaled at point of consumption and uses a large heatmass continuously, It probably is
by ggm 2y ago
The primary question is how efficient pizza is, as a food. Given it can be scaled at point of consumption and uses a large heatmass continuously, It probably is quite efficient use of flour, water, yeast, tomato paste and optional toppings most of which can be preserved passively in a cooler climate. The thermal storage of brickwork means for the investment in heating, a large number of Pizza can be cooked and during its cooling phase other dishes can use slow cooking effectively so it's doubly efficient given other potential uses: This is much the same as a bakery and traditionally Jewish bakers have used their embedded heat investment to provide slow cooking for the community on the sabbath.
So on basic economic/efficiency terms, Pizza was a good fit for a planned economy and should have been widely available. It's even moderately efficient to offer varieties, which means a degree of individual choice can be preserved and there are options to price efficiently which means rationing can be enforced sensibly.
A significant problem is that with unreliable energy supply, Pizza cannot be made but luckily, we are adaptable (homo sovieticus!) and so a large variety of things can be burned to make a pizza oven operate. Some of them do not produce good flavours and CCA treated timber should not be used for wood fired ovens routinely.
Arguably, a calzone is just a pirogi anyway. So, "yes" Lawful-neutral, Pizza was invented in Russia.
- ivan_gammel 2y ago> Pizza was a good fit for a planned economy and should have been widely available A variety of classic Soviet recipes was designed for use of local ingredients and industrial scale production, making pizza unnecessary. > Arguably, a calzone is just a pirogi anyway And why would you need pizza when the world of pirogi is arguably bigger?..
- vinnyvichy 2y agoBut but but the confederation of tstsarogi is the largest of them all
- ivan_gammel 2y agoCartesian product of bread and everything else is still bigger, but this is not a cardinality of sets competition. This is practicality and deliciousness of sets competition and pineapples did not grow in Soviet Union.
- vinnyvichy 2y agoAhh then you might enjoy the violent responses herein https://old.reddit.com/r/shittyfoodporn/comments/1c90btb/perogies_with_pineapple/ https://old.reddit.com/r/shittyfoodporn/comments/1c90btb/per... [One might still have hoped for world peace under the olive, alas https://www.oeaw.ac.at/sice/sice-blog/tsarist-extra-virgin-imperial-russias-quest-for-domestic-olives https://www.oeaw.ac.at/sice/sice-blog/tsarist-extra-virgin-i... https://www.dpublication.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/39-449.pdf https://www.dpublication.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/39-4... ]
- golergka 2y agoEmpanadas are basically the same as pirogi, and pineapple empanadas are delicious.
- 082349872349872 2y agobesides which, if you're already importing, bananas make better shot glasses than pineapples?
- ivan_gammel 2y agoThe only shot glass you need for anything (if anything is voka or tea) was designed (allegedly) by Vera Mukhina. As for pineapples etc, there was a poem in Soviet Russia: “Eat your pineapples, chew hazel grouse, your last day is coming, bourgeois!”
- vinnyvichy 2y agoThink GP was referring to this uh kind of custom https://youtube.com/shorts/BSzmabM7J7M https://youtube.com/shorts/BSzmabM7J7M And maybe a pun on ananas
- golergka 2y agoNot unnecessary, but an unattainable luxury. Industrially produced and available ingredients in Soviet union were a world away from mozzarella, good tomato sauce and bay leaves you may want for the simplest pizza. If you wanted to get your hands on horrible Soviet salami you had to travel to Moscow, and pepperoni was a luxury few world even know about. Forget about olives, anchovies, even pineapples — it's just something that didn't exist for a regular person.
- fredgrott 2y agoas part Russian and Polish, no a pirogi is not an effing calzone!
- vinnyvichy 2y agoTo indulge my lawful travelling companions: pizza was developed in the Byzantine Empire (quite planned for the time -- they could recreate the silk industry wholesale by imperial fiat) https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D1%86%D1%86%D0%B0 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D1%86%D1%86%D0%B0