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Please, accept cryptocurrency payments! I've found very few LLM providers that can be paid with crypto, and most of them are of bad quality.

azinman2 2y ago
I’m curious your motivation. To me this is the easiest way for scams/bad actors to generate a lot of not-good-for-society content.
- codetrotter 2y ago
  And the US Dollar in cash is the easiest way for drug dealers to get payment for the drugs they are pushing on the street. Yet, the answer to that is not to demand that society goes cash-less. Money will always be used by people you disagree with. And you should not try to use the money itself as a way of limiting what people do. For if you do, one day it could be you that finds himself unable to spend his money the way he wants to because someone else, more powerful than you, disagrees with how you spend that money. Using money that is yours should never be illegal. Prosecute the bad people for the bad thing they did in the first place to get the money / the bad thing that someone paid them money for.
  - mathnmusic 2y ago
    > you should not try to use the money itself as a way of limiting what people do Are you saying that Anti money laundering rules should be scrapped?
    - herbst 2y ago
      If they don't work, are fully ineffective and generally only catch small fishes I guess we could scrap them.
  - newaccount74 2y ago
    > Prosecute the bad people for the bad thing they did in the first place How do you expect to do that, without following the money? If someone shows up with a suitcase full of money, it's extremely unlikely that they earned this money in a legal way and paid taxes. Same thing with crypto. Theoretically it's possible that people use it for legal means, in practice 99% of people do not.
    - throw101010 2y ago
      It's much easier to follow someone using a public ledger than having to beg/subpoena banks for records with the broken/outdated AML/KYC/KYB system, with bank secrecy in many places, with banks participating in illicit activities too sometimes, etc. > Theoretically it's possible that people use it for legal means, in practice 99% of people do not. This is a completely made up statistic and it is showing your bias and/or ignorance about the topic. The lower estimates from industry sources like Chainalysis (0.15-0.62%) contrast sharply with higher academic estimates (23-46%) because the latter tend to include illicit activities that happen off chain but get "washed" on-chain which explains their own huge range of estimation... it is hard to quantify but nobody serious ever came close to 99%. Something for which there are estimates close to 90% is the volume of transactions happening on centralized exchanges, and since these are required pretty much everywhere to follow AML procedures, just like traditional banks (sometimes even more intrusive than banks), it means it is just as easy, if not easier, to prosecute criminals who would use these... with the added bonus of having a public ledger with records of their activity on-chain.
      - GTP 2y ago
        I suggest to everyone interested to also hear what Brett Johnson, a former criminal, has to say about the topic in his podcast [1]. [1] https://anchor.fm/s/9a92cef4/podcast/play/84999897/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2024-3-6%2F373402827-44100-2-501b773a736ee.mp3 https://anchor.fm/s/9a92cef4/podcast/play/84999897/https%3A%...
    - zorrn 2y ago
      It's either a bad person or MrBeast.
  - 9dev 2y ago
    > cash is the easiest way for drug dealers to get payment for the drugs they are pushing on the street. Yet, the answer to that is not to demand that society goes cash-less. That is exactly what many are proposing, or at least a core argument of many anti-cash proponents. Crypto is not money. Money is coupled to a value; crypto is as much a currency as paintings are: completely arbitrary.
    - ImHereToVote 2y ago
      What value is money coupled to?
      - BoorishBears 2y ago
        Government backing, our shared delusion, unicorn dust, take your pick: whatever it is, it's something stable enough that it doesn't experience quintuple digit deflation in a decade.
        exe34 2y ago
        yes, runaway inflation is much better!
        BoorishBears 2y ago
        Your tone implies you're unironically trying to compare 3% inflation to 20,000% deflation. That'd be embarrassing.
        logicchains 2y ago
        And you're comparing annualised inflation to the deflation over a decade, which is equally embarrassing. Regardless, all other things being equal anyone who has their own financial interests at heart would rather hold a currency that experienced 20,000% deflation since its creation than one that lost 99% of its value to inflation since its creation. Because the best predictor of future performance is past performance.
- BoorishBears 2y ago
  You're being downvoted but as someone running an AI generation site, I can't even imagine the kind of bottom of the barrel filth you'd attract not even having the tiny deterrent of KYC. You wouldn't end up being "just another generation site with crypto", you'd become a magnet for everyone who's generating things they're scared of having their legal identity tied to.
  - nunobrito 2y ago
    Please stop with FUD. No, I don't want to upload my passport and personal information to some site. No, I don't want to use Paypal or credit cards No, I'm not a criminal. I value my privacy, as many others do.
    - BoorishBears 2y ago
      FUD implies I'm not certain of the outcome. I had to stop supporting logged out users because 99% of the CSAM generated on the site came from people trying to skirt the basic login requirements. Sorry but your privacy doesn't trump my not wanting to run a child porn site, and the overwhelming majority of the public manages to live through having to login in and pay for things with traceable money. And before the conversation goes there: is it a perfect filter? No. But a 99% reduction (realistically near 100% reduction) in unwanted behavior is what I'd call very effective.
      - nunobrito 2y ago
        Before we can continue this conversation, please submit your passport pictures to the hackernews team. Because otherwise hackernews will be filled with spam. We don't want hackernews to be running a child porn site and this will reduce 99% of that risk. Giving away your personal privacy isn't the only option and you know that.
    - ShayNehmad 2y ago
      The moment you say "Please stop with FUD" I instantly assume that the reason you're actually worried about FUD is because it's directly linked to the value of your tokens.
saurik 2y ago
genai.orchid.com (Note: I am not just affiliated with this company, but am "in charge of technology" for it... however, I haven't actually used this demo we are building, except to understand how to better generalize it into our overall platform; I thereby cannot vouch for the "quality", though I will happily vouch for it not stealing your money or anything.)

azinman2 2y ago

I’m curious your motivation. To me this is the easiest way for scams/bad actors to generate a lot of not-good-for-society content.

codetrotter 2y ago
And the US Dollar in cash is the easiest way for drug dealers to get payment for the drugs they are pushing on the street. Yet, the answer to that is not to demand that society goes cash-less. Money will always be used by people you disagree with. And you should not try to use the money itself as a way of limiting what people do. For if you do, one day it could be you that finds himself unable to spend his money the way he wants to because someone else, more powerful than you, disagrees with how you spend that money. Using money that is yours should never be illegal. Prosecute the bad people for the bad thing they did in the first place to get the money / the bad thing that someone paid them money for.
- mathnmusic 2y ago
  > you should not try to use the money itself as a way of limiting what people do Are you saying that Anti money laundering rules should be scrapped?
  - herbst 2y ago
    If they don't work, are fully ineffective and generally only catch small fishes I guess we could scrap them.
- newaccount74 2y ago
  > Prosecute the bad people for the bad thing they did in the first place How do you expect to do that, without following the money? If someone shows up with a suitcase full of money, it's extremely unlikely that they earned this money in a legal way and paid taxes. Same thing with crypto. Theoretically it's possible that people use it for legal means, in practice 99% of people do not.
  - throw101010 2y ago
    It's much easier to follow someone using a public ledger than having to beg/subpoena banks for records with the broken/outdated AML/KYC/KYB system, with bank secrecy in many places, with banks participating in illicit activities too sometimes, etc. > Theoretically it's possible that people use it for legal means, in practice 99% of people do not. This is a completely made up statistic and it is showing your bias and/or ignorance about the topic. The lower estimates from industry sources like Chainalysis (0.15-0.62%) contrast sharply with higher academic estimates (23-46%) because the latter tend to include illicit activities that happen off chain but get "washed" on-chain which explains their own huge range of estimation... it is hard to quantify but nobody serious ever came close to 99%. Something for which there are estimates close to 90% is the volume of transactions happening on centralized exchanges, and since these are required pretty much everywhere to follow AML procedures, just like traditional banks (sometimes even more intrusive than banks), it means it is just as easy, if not easier, to prosecute criminals who would use these... with the added bonus of having a public ledger with records of their activity on-chain.
    - GTP 2y ago
      I suggest to everyone interested to also hear what Brett Johnson, a former criminal, has to say about the topic in his podcast [1]. [1] https://anchor.fm/s/9a92cef4/podcast/play/84999897/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2024-3-6%2F373402827-44100-2-501b773a736ee.mp3 https://anchor.fm/s/9a92cef4/podcast/play/84999897/https%3A%...
  - zorrn 2y ago
    It's either a bad person or MrBeast.
- 9dev 2y ago
  > cash is the easiest way for drug dealers to get payment for the drugs they are pushing on the street. Yet, the answer to that is not to demand that society goes cash-less. That is exactly what many are proposing, or at least a core argument of many anti-cash proponents. Crypto is not money. Money is coupled to a value; crypto is as much a currency as paintings are: completely arbitrary.
  - ImHereToVote 2y ago
    What value is money coupled to?
    - BoorishBears 2y ago
      Government backing, our shared delusion, unicorn dust, take your pick: whatever it is, it's something stable enough that it doesn't experience quintuple digit deflation in a decade.
      - exe34 2y ago
        yes, runaway inflation is much better!
        BoorishBears 2y ago
        Your tone implies you're unironically trying to compare 3% inflation to 20,000% deflation. That'd be embarrassing.
        logicchains 2y ago
        And you're comparing annualised inflation to the deflation over a decade, which is equally embarrassing. Regardless, all other things being equal anyone who has their own financial interests at heart would rather hold a currency that experienced 20,000% deflation since its creation than one that lost 99% of its value to inflation since its creation. Because the best predictor of future performance is past performance.
BoorishBears 2y ago
You're being downvoted but as someone running an AI generation site, I can't even imagine the kind of bottom of the barrel filth you'd attract not even having the tiny deterrent of KYC. You wouldn't end up being "just another generation site with crypto", you'd become a magnet for everyone who's generating things they're scared of having their legal identity tied to.
- nunobrito 2y ago
  Please stop with FUD. No, I don't want to upload my passport and personal information to some site. No, I don't want to use Paypal or credit cards No, I'm not a criminal. I value my privacy, as many others do.
  - BoorishBears 2y ago
    FUD implies I'm not certain of the outcome. I had to stop supporting logged out users because 99% of the CSAM generated on the site came from people trying to skirt the basic login requirements. Sorry but your privacy doesn't trump my not wanting to run a child porn site, and the overwhelming majority of the public manages to live through having to login in and pay for things with traceable money. And before the conversation goes there: is it a perfect filter? No. But a 99% reduction (realistically near 100% reduction) in unwanted behavior is what I'd call very effective.
    - nunobrito 2y ago
      Before we can continue this conversation, please submit your passport pictures to the hackernews team. Because otherwise hackernews will be filled with spam. We don't want hackernews to be running a child porn site and this will reduce 99% of that risk. Giving away your personal privacy isn't the only option and you know that.
  - ShayNehmad 2y ago
    The moment you say "Please stop with FUD" I instantly assume that the reason you're actually worried about FUD is because it's directly linked to the value of your tokens.

saurik 2y ago

genai.orchid.com (Note: I am not just affiliated with this company, but am "in charge of technology" for it... however, I haven't actually used this demo we are building, except to understand how to better generalize it into our overall platform; I thereby cannot vouch for the "quality", though I will happily vouch for it not stealing your money or anything.)