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The principle to exercise your rights, for any reason you please and without having to explain yourself.

by j2kun 2y ago

1659447091 2y ago
Sadly enough, this is the one most people who ask me why I opt out of face rec at airports don't seem to "get". They probe for more info, as if there needs to be some extraordinary reason for opting out to be justified over simply going along with it. "They already have your photo". Yes, I know. I gave it to them in exchange for documents that grant international travel privileges. The rules/laws also say I can opt out of face rec and are posted on that big ass sign. I exercised my rights as a citizen to apply for documents within the rules allowed. Now I am excising my rights to the part that says I can opt out of having my pic taken every time I want to get on a plane. I would like more clarity on the storage of the bio info derived from the photos. My guess is they keep updating profiles every time they take the pic, but discard the actual photo. This is not why I opt out, but like the salami slicing up-thread, I would guess they are waiting for everyone to get use to the pic at TSA before removing the opt-out clause and letting everyone know they are storing it to update profiles - for your safety. I am just waiting for that big leak, and then massive bio id fraud that will be harder to clean up than it is now. I know someone that has been a victim of id fraud (complete nightmare), I can't even imagine how one would clean that up once bio fraud becomes the norm.
CPLX 2y ago
That's definitely a reasonable point of view. There's another point of view though that says that the aviation system is particularly fragile, and of course it has a history of being used for acts of extreme violence. So there's a compelling state interest question here. Like I think people definitely DO and SHOULD have the right to be secure in their own homes, in their personal papers, and to be free from surveillance of their personal life. I'm extremely amenable to the idea that you should be able to "exercise your rights, for any reason you please and without having to explain yourself" in that regard. I think it's also clear that the rights one has are going to be circumscribed when participating in the aviation system. So it's more a matter of degree than principle.

The principle to exercise your rights, for any reason you please and without having to explain yourself.

by j2kun 2y ago

The principle to exercise your rights, for any reason you please and without having to explain yourself.

Sadly enough, this is the one most people who ask me why I opt out of face rec at airports don't seem to "get". They probe for more info, as if there needs to be some extraordinary reason for opting out to be justified over simply going along with it. "They already have your photo". Yes, I know. I gave it to them in exchange for documents that grant international travel privileges. The rules/laws also say I can opt out of face rec and are posted on that big ass sign. I exercised my rights as a citizen to apply for documents within the rules allowed. Now I am excising my rights to the part that says I can opt out of having my pic taken every time I want to get on a plane. I would like more clarity on the storage of the bio info derived from the photos. My guess is they keep updating profiles every time they take the pic, but discard the actual photo. This is not why I opt out, but like the salami slicing up-thread, I would guess they are waiting for everyone to get use to the pic at TSA before removing the opt-out clause and letting everyone know they are storing it to update profiles - for your safety. I am just waiting for that big leak, and then massive bio id fraud that will be harder to clean up than it is now. I know someone that has been a victim of id fraud (complete nightmare), I can't even imagine how one would clean that up once bio fraud becomes the norm.

CPLX 2y ago

That's definitely a reasonable point of view. There's another point of view though that says that the aviation system is particularly fragile, and of course it has a history of being used for acts of extreme violence. So there's a compelling state interest question here. Like I think people definitely DO and SHOULD have the right to be secure in their own homes, in their personal papers, and to be free from surveillance of their personal life. I'm extremely amenable to the idea that you should be able to "exercise your rights, for any reason you please and without having to explain yourself" in that regard. I think it's also clear that the rights one has are going to be circumscribed when participating in the aviation system. So it's more a matter of degree than principle.