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The LMSys Overall leaderboard <https://chat.lmsys.org/?leaderboard https://chat.lmsys.org/?leaderboard> can tell us a bit more about how these models will perfo
by CGamesPlay 2y ago
The LMSys Overall leaderboard <https://chat.lmsys.org/?leaderboard https://chat.lmsys.org/?leaderboard> can tell us a bit more about how these models will perform in real life, rather than in a benchmark context. By comparing the ELO score against the MMLU benchmark scores, we can see models which outperform / underperform based on their benchmark scores relative to other models. A low score here indicates that the model is more optimized for the benchmark, while a higher score indicates it's more optimized for real-world examples. Using that, we can make some inferences about the training data used, and then extrapolate how future models might perform. Here's a chart: <https://docs.getgrist.com/gV2DtvizWtG7/LLMs/p/5?embed=true https://docs.getgrist.com/gV2DtvizWtG7/LLMs/p/5?embed=true>
Examples: OpenAI's GPT 4o-mini is second only to 4o on LMSys Overall, but is 6.7 points behind 4o on MMLU. It's "punching above its weight" in real-world contexts. The Gemma series (9B and 27B) are similar, both beating the mean in terms of ELO per MMLU point. Microsoft's Phi series are all below the mean, meaning they have strong MMLU scores but aren't preferred in real-world contexts.
Llama 3 8B previously did substantially better than the mean on LMSys Overall, so hopefully Llama 3.1 8B will be even better! The 70B variant was interestingly right on the mean. Hopefully the 430B variant won't fall below!
- sujay1844 2y agoThese days, lmsys elo is the only thing I trust. The other benchmark scores mean nothing to me at this point
- __jl__ 2y agoI disagree. Not saying the other benchmarks are better. It just depends on your use case and application. For my use of the chat interface, I don't think lmsys is very useful. lmsys mainly evaluates relatively simple, low token count questions. Most (if not all) are single prompts, not conversations. The small models do well in this context. If that is what you are looking for, great. However, it does not test longer conversations with high token counts. Just saying that all benchmarks, including lmsys, have issues and are focused on specific use cases.
- Lockal 2y agoSomething is broken with "meta-llama-3.1-405b-instruct-sp" and "meta-llama-3.1-70b-instruct-sp" there, after few sentences both models switch to infinite random like: "Rotterdam计算 dining counselor/__asan jo Nas было /well-rest esse moltet Grants SL и Four VIHu-turn greatest Morenh elementary(((( parts referralswhich IMOаш ...". Don't expect any meaningful score there before they wipe results.
- CGamesPlay 2y agoGood to know, but just to clarify, the results I pulled don't include the 3.1 models yet (they aren't on the leaderboard yet).