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I'm in the 1% and so are most of the people around me. Many of them want to ride good public transit. Good public transit = London, Paris, Tokyo, Singapore, Am

by nox101 2y ago

I'm in the 1% and so are most of the people around me. Many of them want to ride good public transit. Good public transit = London, Paris, Tokyo, Singapore, Amsterdam, Berlin, Seoul. It does not equal LA, SF, NYC. LA's got dismantled and is slowly being rebuilt but it's crap. SF's is stinky slow and gross. NYC's is well used but it's not nice by any definition.

snapplebobapple 2y ago
Then get the zoning fixed so density and design that support that transit. The transit in the places you mention directly stems from the zoning and density that is basically illegal in north america
tristor 2y ago
> I'm in the 1% and so are most of the people around me. Many of them want to ride good public transit. Agreed. The point the GP is trying to make though is that "good public transit" isn't /just/ about infrastructure, it's also about the society around that infrastructure that produces the people who ride it with you. I happily ride public transport while I'm in Europe and even in Latin America, I won't ride it in the US. It's not that I'm opposed to public transport, in fact the opposite, it's that in the US I am likely to be violently accosted, murdered, or robbed while that's basically never going to happen to me in Europe or even in Latin America.
- dullcrisp 2y ago
  How many times have you been murdered on public transit in the US?
  - shiroiushi 2y ago
    Back when I lived in DC, I used to take the DC Metro regularly, usually at least every weekend. I got murdered about once a month on average.
  - tristor 2y ago
    I'm still alive, so zero. Meanwhile, I've been accosted on public transport in the US multiple times. It's part of why I avoid public transport in the US.
- ac29 2y ago
  Thats a pretty ridiculous claim. While public transit in the US could absolutely be improved, suggesting it is "likely" to have a crime committed against you is obviously untrue. For example, NYC's subway had 2 billion riders last year. How many of them do you think were victims of a crime while riding?
  - tristor 2y ago
    > NYC's subway had 2 billion riders last year. Either you're claiming that a quarter of the world's population at some point rode the NYC subway last year, or they're counting ridership non-uniquely, meaning that's a much smaller number of people riding multiple times a year (much more probable). > How many of them do you think were victims of a crime while riding? Assuming the latter interpretation, the absolutely most charitable interpretation of the metrics (including the assumption they're complete) says a crime happens every million rides[1]. But that greatly depends on what you mean by a "crime", as only the most severe crimes are counted, and they are only counted if reported. As someone who's actually ridden public transport several times in the US and doesn't anymore, the reason why is that I observed crimes happening almost constantly. I made the mistake of riding the RTD after moving to Denver and found people openly smoking fentanyl in the train cars, and saw a fight break out. I have been able to personally avoid the consequences of this because I take precautions when I am in public and now actively avoid public transport in the US. FWIW, it's bad enough in NYC that crazy things (most of which are crimes) happening on the subway is a running joke in New York City that's considered relatable enough outside NYC that it's a regular gag on SNL. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/06/nyregion/nyc-subway-crime.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/06/nyregion/nyc-subway-crime...
  - indoordin0saur 2y ago
    > NYC's subway had 2 billion riders last year. How many of them do you think were victims of a crime while riding? I ride it daily to get to work and there absolutely is a crime problem down there. Even if you're not the direct victim you'll see things and thus know that the crime is real. The NYC subway crime thing isn't just some made up thing that people don't have experience with.
yunwal 2y ago
NYCs public transit is better than London's except in terms of cleanliness in my experience. But I don't think that's an issue with the transit system specifically, it has to do with the city as a whole.

by nox101 2y ago

snapplebobapple 2y ago

Then get the zoning fixed so density and design that support that transit. The transit in the places you mention directly stems from the zoning and density that is basically illegal in north america

tristor 2y ago

> I'm in the 1% and so are most of the people around me. Many of them want to ride good public transit. Agreed. The point the GP is trying to make though is that "good public transit" isn't /just/ about infrastructure, it's also about the society around that infrastructure that produces the people who ride it with you. I happily ride public transport while I'm in Europe and even in Latin America, I won't ride it in the US. It's not that I'm opposed to public transport, in fact the opposite, it's that in the US I am likely to be violently accosted, murdered, or robbed while that's basically never going to happen to me in Europe or even in Latin America.

dullcrisp 2y ago
How many times have you been murdered on public transit in the US?
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  Back when I lived in DC, I used to take the DC Metro regularly, usually at least every weekend. I got murdered about once a month on average.
- tristor 2y ago
  I'm still alive, so zero. Meanwhile, I've been accosted on public transport in the US multiple times. It's part of why I avoid public transport in the US.
ac29 2y ago
Thats a pretty ridiculous claim. While public transit in the US could absolutely be improved, suggesting it is "likely" to have a crime committed against you is obviously untrue. For example, NYC's subway had 2 billion riders last year. How many of them do you think were victims of a crime while riding?
- tristor 2y ago
  > NYC's subway had 2 billion riders last year. Either you're claiming that a quarter of the world's population at some point rode the NYC subway last year, or they're counting ridership non-uniquely, meaning that's a much smaller number of people riding multiple times a year (much more probable). > How many of them do you think were victims of a crime while riding? Assuming the latter interpretation, the absolutely most charitable interpretation of the metrics (including the assumption they're complete) says a crime happens every million rides[1]. But that greatly depends on what you mean by a "crime", as only the most severe crimes are counted, and they are only counted if reported. As someone who's actually ridden public transport several times in the US and doesn't anymore, the reason why is that I observed crimes happening almost constantly. I made the mistake of riding the RTD after moving to Denver and found people openly smoking fentanyl in the train cars, and saw a fight break out. I have been able to personally avoid the consequences of this because I take precautions when I am in public and now actively avoid public transport in the US. FWIW, it's bad enough in NYC that crazy things (most of which are crimes) happening on the subway is a running joke in New York City that's considered relatable enough outside NYC that it's a regular gag on SNL. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/06/nyregion/nyc-subway-crime.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/06/nyregion/nyc-subway-crime...
- indoordin0saur 2y ago
  > NYC's subway had 2 billion riders last year. How many of them do you think were victims of a crime while riding? I ride it daily to get to work and there absolutely is a crime problem down there. Even if you're not the direct victim you'll see things and thus know that the crime is real. The NYC subway crime thing isn't just some made up thing that people don't have experience with.

yunwal 2y ago

NYCs public transit is better than London's except in terms of cleanliness in my experience. But I don't think that's an issue with the transit system specifically, it has to do with the city as a whole.