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The Minds from The Culture scifi series have something like this... The top level glyph is the base meaning and you can encode essentially infinite depth of mea

The Minds from The Culture scifi series have something like this... The top level glyph is the base meaning and you can encode essentially infinite depth of meaning beyond that... Of course you have to go multidimensional at some point, so you can't really print it out beyond a few layers of resolution...

flir 2y ago
This reminds me of a design for analogue TV from the late 80s/early 90s. Instead of the electron gun scanning in horizontal lines, it follows a space-filling, non-crossing, self-similar curve. Want to upgrade the resolution? Just build a TV that renders the curve one generation deeper, and stuff more data into the analogue broadcast signal. Older TVs can still render the new signal, maybe with a slightly higher noise floor. (Anyone know what I'm talking about? I assume it was obsoleted by digital solutions, but I'd like to know if there were any serious flaws in the design).
- namanyayg 2y ago
  The concept you're talking about is a Hilbert Curve. But this is the first time I've heard it applied to analogue tv. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-filling_curve https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-filling_curve
  - flir 2y ago
    Yeah, in my memory the pattern was specifically a Hilbert Curve but rotated 45deg (that can't be right, can it? That would just make things harder). I must have seen it between 1987 and 1997. Ah! Found this: https://www.ripcorddesigns.com/blog-news/who-needs-rastas-anyway https://www.ripcorddesigns.com/blog-news/who-needs-rastas-an... - there's even a patent! I was searching on space-filling curve, not Hilbert curve.
- FredPret 2y ago
  I think arcade games worked like that. Looked it up and oscilloscopes do, too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_monitor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_monitor
pyinstallwoes 2y ago
That would be quite the glyph / language. Perhaps the sense of "I" can be that base, which then allows the expansion of I, I, I (sense of I around I) which expands to in front, behind, etc.

flir 2y ago

This reminds me of a design for analogue TV from the late 80s/early 90s. Instead of the electron gun scanning in horizontal lines, it follows a space-filling, non-crossing, self-similar curve. Want to upgrade the resolution? Just build a TV that renders the curve one generation deeper, and stuff more data into the analogue broadcast signal. Older TVs can still render the new signal, maybe with a slightly higher noise floor. (Anyone know what I'm talking about? I assume it was obsoleted by digital solutions, but I'd like to know if there were any serious flaws in the design).

namanyayg 2y ago
The concept you're talking about is a Hilbert Curve. But this is the first time I've heard it applied to analogue tv. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-filling_curve https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-filling_curve
- flir 2y ago
  Yeah, in my memory the pattern was specifically a Hilbert Curve but rotated 45deg (that can't be right, can it? That would just make things harder). I must have seen it between 1987 and 1997. Ah! Found this: https://www.ripcorddesigns.com/blog-news/who-needs-rastas-anyway https://www.ripcorddesigns.com/blog-news/who-needs-rastas-an... - there's even a patent! I was searching on space-filling curve, not Hilbert curve.
FredPret 2y ago
I think arcade games worked like that. Looked it up and oscilloscopes do, too: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_monitor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_monitor

pyinstallwoes 2y ago

That would be quite the glyph / language. Perhaps the sense of "I" can be that base, which then allows the expansion of I, I, I (sense of I around I) which expands to in front, behind, etc.