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Would be trivial to fake the data

by cheeze 2y ago

karaterobot 2y ago
How?
- blakes 2y ago
  Things like this have been done before: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/12/zwift-uci-cheating-astounding-championship-qualifier.html https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/12/zwift-uci-cheating-astou...
- genedan 2y ago
  When I used a power meter, the data could be exported in some kind of machine-readable format like CSV. All you do is change the numbers.
giobox 2y ago
It wouldn't be that hard to mandate the riders use pedals that are only fitted at the course/track and otherwise stored by olympic officials. Power meters integrated in pedals have been a thing for a long time now: > https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/658593 https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/658593 It doesn't need to be pedals either - it could be a standard crank arm or any other easily accessible part that can effectively house a power meter. I'm sure there are plenty of other issues with this power meter based approach, but securing the data is probably doable to a reasonable degree.
- rich_sasha 2y ago
  All these parts (pedals, cranks etc) are very much an integral part of precisely how you set up the bike, not so much things you swap out without noticing. You'd get pushback from the teams if suddenly you mandated a particular pedal or crank. Some racers are very particular about what pedals they want. And cranks aren't exactly roadside-replacable.
  - giobox 2y ago
    You can be assured the component manufacturers would happily sell "certified" gear, and lots of us would buy it imitating our heroes etc. The parts can be identical to the parts used in training. Said certified gear can meet the olympic standards for data integrity. The cycling industry adores selling "pro" gear to amateur customers and the associated markups (UCI approved!). This is not that different to amateur motor racing, where its expected you only bring a helmet that's certified by an external body (Snell/FIA etc). There are generally only a handful of pedals designs in use in the pro-peleton today, so not like we are talking about moving a mountain, and the UCI already regulate a lot of existing parts. As I said, I suspect this is not the main problem with this approach, there are likely many other much better reasons why this isn't a good idea.

Would be trivial to fake the data

by cheeze 2y ago

Would be trivial to fake the data

karaterobot 2y ago

How?

blakes 2y ago
Things like this have been done before: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/12/zwift-uci-cheating-astounding-championship-qualifier.html https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/12/zwift-uci-cheating-astou...
genedan 2y ago
When I used a power meter, the data could be exported in some kind of machine-readable format like CSV. All you do is change the numbers.

giobox 2y ago

It wouldn't be that hard to mandate the riders use pedals that are only fitted at the course/track and otherwise stored by olympic officials. Power meters integrated in pedals have been a thing for a long time now: > https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/658593 https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/658593 It doesn't need to be pedals either - it could be a standard crank arm or any other easily accessible part that can effectively house a power meter. I'm sure there are plenty of other issues with this power meter based approach, but securing the data is probably doable to a reasonable degree.

rich_sasha 2y ago
All these parts (pedals, cranks etc) are very much an integral part of precisely how you set up the bike, not so much things you swap out without noticing. You'd get pushback from the teams if suddenly you mandated a particular pedal or crank. Some racers are very particular about what pedals they want. And cranks aren't exactly roadside-replacable.
- giobox 2y ago
  You can be assured the component manufacturers would happily sell "certified" gear, and lots of us would buy it imitating our heroes etc. The parts can be identical to the parts used in training. Said certified gear can meet the olympic standards for data integrity. The cycling industry adores selling "pro" gear to amateur customers and the associated markups (UCI approved!). This is not that different to amateur motor racing, where its expected you only bring a helmet that's certified by an external body (Snell/FIA etc). There are generally only a handful of pedals designs in use in the pro-peleton today, so not like we are talking about moving a mountain, and the UCI already regulate a lot of existing parts. As I said, I suspect this is not the main problem with this approach, there are likely many other much better reasons why this isn't a good idea.