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Exactly. It's very well developed and seems an incredibly "safe" environment. People aren't in the mindset that there could be danger (even if they should be)

Exactly. It's very well developed and seems an incredibly "safe" environment. People aren't in the mindset that there could be danger (even if they should be). It takes processing time before people even realize that this isn't normal. Also there's social proof all over. When it goes off people look around, see that nobody else is bailing, so they assume things are ok. It takes a little time to override that tendency and get people to start moving.

giantg2 2y ago
"People aren't in the mindset that there could be danger (even if they should be)." This could be said of life generally. It seems like very few people even have a minimal level of situational awareness while walking to the mailbox or walking through a store.
- actionfromafar 2y ago
  And having that situational awareness at all times can easily result in exhaustion.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    Not really. There are different levels of situational awareness. One doesn't have to be on high alert. Just being alert enough that you hear a pallet jack coming down the cross aisle is more alert than half the people seem to be.
    - xattt 2y ago
      As GP said, it’s hard to maintain that situational awareness on a constant basis. However, it may be prudent to tune in when you are in a new environment or you hear a new sound in an environment you’re used to.
      - giantg2 2y ago
        "or you hear a new sound" What you've just described is situational awareness. Maintaining condition yellow "relaxed awareness" should not be hard to do at all.
        TeaBrain 2y ago
        Maintaining any level of vigilance is still more exhausting than maintaining none at all, even if at some personal level you believe it shouldn't be hard to do.
        giantg2 2y ago
        Do you look before you cross the street? Do you turn to see what a beeping noise is that is approaching you in a store? Do these things exhaust you? It's super easy to have basic awareness. Crossing the street is a great example because you need the awareness that you're near a street. Then the awareness to see if it has a crosswalk/light/etc. Then what the light status is (if applicable). Finally looking for cars. People who lack any awareness at all are the ones you hear about falling in manholes because they were looking at their phones.
  - nonrandomstring 2y ago
    And insensitivity. That's why we put one person on guard so everyone else can go 'shields-down'. Dangerous situation requires an assigned responsible person whose job is to be heads-up for that time and empowered to raise alarms, order people back etc. I guess if this is some kind of "nature spectacle theme park" you need someone permanently around who is an expert on the situation and knows when to call it.
- akira2501 2y ago
  > minimal level of situational awareness "People don't pay for things they don't plan on using." > while walking to the mailbox or walking through a store. Traditionally _not_ dangerous activities.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    Being near, or crossing, streets are traditionally dangerous. There are plenty of lawsuits from people getting hurt in stores every year. People who think they don't need to pay attention to what's around them in those situations are just ignorant.

giantg2 2y ago

"People aren't in the mindset that there could be danger (even if they should be)." This could be said of life generally. It seems like very few people even have a minimal level of situational awareness while walking to the mailbox or walking through a store.

actionfromafar 2y ago
And having that situational awareness at all times can easily result in exhaustion.
- giantg2 2y ago
  Not really. There are different levels of situational awareness. One doesn't have to be on high alert. Just being alert enough that you hear a pallet jack coming down the cross aisle is more alert than half the people seem to be.
  - xattt 2y ago
    As GP said, it’s hard to maintain that situational awareness on a constant basis. However, it may be prudent to tune in when you are in a new environment or you hear a new sound in an environment you’re used to.
    - giantg2 2y ago
      "or you hear a new sound" What you've just described is situational awareness. Maintaining condition yellow "relaxed awareness" should not be hard to do at all.
      - TeaBrain 2y ago
        Maintaining any level of vigilance is still more exhausting than maintaining none at all, even if at some personal level you believe it shouldn't be hard to do.
        giantg2 2y ago
        Do you look before you cross the street? Do you turn to see what a beeping noise is that is approaching you in a store? Do these things exhaust you? It's super easy to have basic awareness. Crossing the street is a great example because you need the awareness that you're near a street. Then the awareness to see if it has a crosswalk/light/etc. Then what the light status is (if applicable). Finally looking for cars. People who lack any awareness at all are the ones you hear about falling in manholes because they were looking at their phones.
- nonrandomstring 2y ago
  And insensitivity. That's why we put one person on guard so everyone else can go 'shields-down'. Dangerous situation requires an assigned responsible person whose job is to be heads-up for that time and empowered to raise alarms, order people back etc. I guess if this is some kind of "nature spectacle theme park" you need someone permanently around who is an expert on the situation and knows when to call it.
akira2501 2y ago
> minimal level of situational awareness "People don't pay for things they don't plan on using." > while walking to the mailbox or walking through a store. Traditionally _not_ dangerous activities.
- giantg2 2y ago
  Being near, or crossing, streets are traditionally dangerous. There are plenty of lawsuits from people getting hurt in stores every year. People who think they don't need to pay attention to what's around them in those situations are just ignorant.