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I desperately want an Olympic games where everyone is allowed to do whatever they want to win; where cheating is not only accepted, it's strongly encouraged. E

I desperately want an Olympic games where everyone is allowed to do whatever they want to win; where cheating is not only accepted, it's strongly encouraged. Everyone comes roided up and doped out of their minds, and we see the limits the human body is truly capable of.

cjbgkagh 2y ago
We already have CrossFit
- _yb2s 2y ago
  Also strongman and USPA powerlifting- in both performance enhancing drugs are completely allowed, and top athletes even post about using them on Instagram... which is wild because they're still illegal.
  - kyllo 2y ago
    USPA has a tested division now and it's been gaining in popularity--it will soon be more popular than the untested division if it isn't already. Most of the top untested powerlifters have moved over to the WRPF (which does also have its own tested division). There are a lot of other smaller, regional, untested feds. Then there's the IPF and USAPL and their affiliates, which are fully tested, and are now far more popular than any of the untested feds. Untested might never go away, but tested has rapidly surpassed it in recent years.
cosmic_quanta 2y ago
Isn't there something Peter Thiel funded just for this? Edit: yes https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/enhanced-games-peter-thiel-olympics-b2488157.html https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/enhanced-games-...
- cjbgkagh 2y ago
  They should make it more interesting by requiring a minimum age of 45 or whatever depending on sport, that will avoid the issue of damage that some of the peds can do to the young and impressionable. Plus normal athletes could come back into sports so there is a definitive before and after with a group that generally clean before. Plus what better way to demonstrate the anti aging effect than on people otherwise too old to be competitive.
  - pierrefermat1 2y ago
    I suppose you are only referring to the young directly involved, but the young watching the comp could also be just as impressionable and start looking into using the same drugs. But my real take is this hopefully gets everyone to understand how meaningless/ugly this all is and actually combats PED use that way.
    - cjbgkagh 2y ago
      Seeing their parents do it should make it less cool. Having seen what kind of adults such bubble wrapped children turn into I think that perhaps some risk should be acceptable, let nature sort a few things out, and understand we're not all going to survive to old age. As sad as it is to see a child die before their time, I think it's more sad to see adults who have never lived. I taken a lot of PEDs for therapeutic reasons to combat the effects of ME/CFS, mainly hGH peptides and Test Cypionate but also some of the esoteric stuff as well. So I'm generally pro PEDs when done in moderation. Obviously some people go overboard. I think a lot of innate athletic prowess is higher endogenous level of many of the same PEDs so you could probably identify likely athletes with DNA tests. So what are these competitions for, to figure out who has the better DNA + work ethic? I'm all for armature sports done for the benefit of the participants.
nomel 2y ago
There's a org ramping up, Enhanced Games: https://enhanced.org https://enhanced.org Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRLAiEZLpVg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRLAiEZLpVg
SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
While I think that would be a giggle, this is about putting motors in your bicycle, and so this would still be outside that.
- cooper_ganglia 2y ago
  F1 rules apply, modify your equipment however you want, just don't let the other guys find out what you did, or else they'll copy it the next time.
Cthulhu_ 2y ago
Because one, it's dangerous to people's health; how far are people willing to go? Second, not everyone has access to the same "help". I mean to a point this is true today as well as not everyone has access to universities developing snake scale outfits or what have you, but at the same time most olympic sports are still about the human performance. But this is why e.g. F1 has such strict regulations that get tightened every year; if it hadn't, the richest team would win, or the one that has an innovation this year (like side skirts) that other teams don't.
- cooper_ganglia 2y ago
  I want to see the unholy abominations that would come out of a billionaire match-up between Bezos, Musk, and Gates all sponsoring a competitor. Just a heap of unnatural flesh, vaguely in the shape of a human, pumped full of every possible performance-enhancing drug to be the best possible athlete. Actually, my entire premise for this is actually based on F1 racing, and how they operate. Every team literally has no rules, other than: Do not kill or injure anyone. Nearly anything else outside of that very broad limit would be allowed. I just think it would end up being very interesting and funny.
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago
  > or the one that has an innovation this year (like side skirts) that other teams don't. This honestly sounds like a very interesting competition to me that I'd love to see: a competition that is about both the athletes and the engineers behind the winning athletes.
michaelt 2y ago
While that sounds interesting in the abstract sense, I'm pretty sure the athletes would all end up dead or severely disabled by age 25. Which would totally ruin the vibe. If I wanted to watch guys killing themselves for my entertainment, I'd watch motorcycle racing.
- Balgair 2y ago
  Yeah, look at all the Russian figure skaters. Nearly all of their medalists are using canes by 30 just to get around.
  - kfichter 2y ago
    Is this even remotely true
psychlops 2y ago
Here you go: https://enhanced.org/ https://enhanced.org/
- cooper_ganglia 2y ago
  Yes, exactly this! The messaging on that site is actually really refreshing!
Etheryte 2y ago
This is a nice idea until you think about the fact that bodybuilding is the only sport where professional athletes consistently die younger than their non-athlete peers, often considerably so. Steroids are not fun get big muscle candy, they thoroughly wreck your body and then you die.
- 15155 2y ago
  Olympian competitors using PEDs aren't running around on vast amounts of aromatase inhibitors and diuretics to completely eliminate all water from their bodies - this is practically standard in pro bodybuilding. Powerlifters don't die nearly as frequently and it's largely because aesthetic dryness isn't required. Olympians also aren't explicitly trying to obtain mass as a goal and wouldn't customarily be walking around at 5'10"/300lbs (for instance - extrapolate) as a bodybuilder might in their off-season. Excess mass is usually detrimental in most Olympic sports and is avoided. Being medically obese, regardless of body composition, is tough on the human heart - add in extreme/forced dehydration, stimulants, and possibly recreational drugs, and you have a recipe for early expiration.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  That's part of the fun though! You can setup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_pool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_pool and/or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market to make a fat profit off of betting on their life expectancy. Folks who would participate embrace the "live hard, die young" mantra. We love folks who do this in our society. James Dean is still the coolest man who ever lived, and a significant reason for that is that he joined the 27 club in a car crash.
tedunangst 2y ago
Yes, basketball with brass knuckles.
- cooper_ganglia 2y ago
  Yes, exactly! For most sports, the rule would be: Do not kill or injure your opponent. But for contact sports like basketball, I think a good brawl would really liven up the game! Brass knuckles is almost certainly too much, but the idea of knocking out all your opponents so they can't score would actually make basketball much more interesting and strategic. Basketball + Boxing would make a fun combo!
  - Der_Einzige 2y ago
    People think this is a joke or meme but the fact that modern Hockey is full on a blood sport indicates that this would be extremely popular.
    - cooper_ganglia 2y ago
      Oh for sure, I'm not joking at all actually! I've enjoyed watching chess-boxing before, I figured putting boxing into other sports that are actually physical would at the very least be entertaining! We've had the same sports for so long, let's spice it, do some fun fusion stuff, haha
  - Someone 2y ago
    > But for contact sports like basketball Basketball isn’t really a contact sport, is it? With a few exceptions, making contact results in a personal foul (https://official.nba.com/rule-no-12-fouls-and-penalties/#foultypes https://official.nba.com/rule-no-12-fouls-and-penalties/#fou...)
eCa 2y ago
If you have kids, would you want them to compete in that?
tonymet 2y ago
at least with biking we already have MotoGP
B1FF_PSUVM 2y ago
I think it was Orson Scott Card who wrote a story about that. I seem to remember it included boxers with their brains below the belt. (Can't find it, I think it was in Omni magazine in the 1980s)
CamperBob2 2y ago
Likewise, I've always thought that baseball would be a lot more interesting to watch if each player were issued a handgun with a single bullet.
- livueta 2y ago
  Sounds like the plot of a Fukumoto Nobuyuki manga.
arp242 2y ago
Okay, so I will show up with my Kawasaki Z750 and win everything.

cjbgkagh 2y ago

We already have CrossFit

_yb2s 2y ago
Also strongman and USPA powerlifting- in both performance enhancing drugs are completely allowed, and top athletes even post about using them on Instagram... which is wild because they're still illegal.
- kyllo 2y ago
  USPA has a tested division now and it's been gaining in popularity--it will soon be more popular than the untested division if it isn't already. Most of the top untested powerlifters have moved over to the WRPF (which does also have its own tested division). There are a lot of other smaller, regional, untested feds. Then there's the IPF and USAPL and their affiliates, which are fully tested, and are now far more popular than any of the untested feds. Untested might never go away, but tested has rapidly surpassed it in recent years.

cosmic_quanta 2y ago

Isn't there something Peter Thiel funded just for this? Edit: yes https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/enhanced-games-peter-thiel-olympics-b2488157.html https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/enhanced-games-...

cjbgkagh 2y ago
They should make it more interesting by requiring a minimum age of 45 or whatever depending on sport, that will avoid the issue of damage that some of the peds can do to the young and impressionable. Plus normal athletes could come back into sports so there is a definitive before and after with a group that generally clean before. Plus what better way to demonstrate the anti aging effect than on people otherwise too old to be competitive.
- pierrefermat1 2y ago
  I suppose you are only referring to the young directly involved, but the young watching the comp could also be just as impressionable and start looking into using the same drugs. But my real take is this hopefully gets everyone to understand how meaningless/ugly this all is and actually combats PED use that way.
  - cjbgkagh 2y ago
    Seeing their parents do it should make it less cool. Having seen what kind of adults such bubble wrapped children turn into I think that perhaps some risk should be acceptable, let nature sort a few things out, and understand we're not all going to survive to old age. As sad as it is to see a child die before their time, I think it's more sad to see adults who have never lived. I taken a lot of PEDs for therapeutic reasons to combat the effects of ME/CFS, mainly hGH peptides and Test Cypionate but also some of the esoteric stuff as well. So I'm generally pro PEDs when done in moderation. Obviously some people go overboard. I think a lot of innate athletic prowess is higher endogenous level of many of the same PEDs so you could probably identify likely athletes with DNA tests. So what are these competitions for, to figure out who has the better DNA + work ethic? I'm all for armature sports done for the benefit of the participants.

nomel 2y ago

There's a org ramping up, Enhanced Games: https://enhanced.org https://enhanced.org Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRLAiEZLpVg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRLAiEZLpVg

SketchySeaBeast 2y ago

While I think that would be a giggle, this is about putting motors in your bicycle, and so this would still be outside that.

cooper_ganglia 2y ago
F1 rules apply, modify your equipment however you want, just don't let the other guys find out what you did, or else they'll copy it the next time.

Cthulhu_ 2y ago

Because one, it's dangerous to people's health; how far are people willing to go? Second, not everyone has access to the same "help". I mean to a point this is true today as well as not everyone has access to universities developing snake scale outfits or what have you, but at the same time most olympic sports are still about the human performance. But this is why e.g. F1 has such strict regulations that get tightened every year; if it hadn't, the richest team would win, or the one that has an innovation this year (like side skirts) that other teams don't.

cooper_ganglia 2y ago
I want to see the unholy abominations that would come out of a billionaire match-up between Bezos, Musk, and Gates all sponsoring a competitor. Just a heap of unnatural flesh, vaguely in the shape of a human, pumped full of every possible performance-enhancing drug to be the best possible athlete. Actually, my entire premise for this is actually based on F1 racing, and how they operate. Every team literally has no rules, other than: Do not kill or injure anyone. Nearly anything else outside of that very broad limit would be allowed. I just think it would end up being very interesting and funny.
aleph_minus_one 2y ago
> or the one that has an innovation this year (like side skirts) that other teams don't. This honestly sounds like a very interesting competition to me that I'd love to see: a competition that is about both the athletes and the engineers behind the winning athletes.

michaelt 2y ago

While that sounds interesting in the abstract sense, I'm pretty sure the athletes would all end up dead or severely disabled by age 25. Which would totally ruin the vibe. If I wanted to watch guys killing themselves for my entertainment, I'd watch motorcycle racing.

Balgair 2y ago
Yeah, look at all the Russian figure skaters. Nearly all of their medalists are using canes by 30 just to get around.
- kfichter 2y ago
  Is this even remotely true

psychlops 2y ago

Here you go: https://enhanced.org/ https://enhanced.org/

cooper_ganglia 2y ago
Yes, exactly this! The messaging on that site is actually really refreshing!

Etheryte 2y ago

This is a nice idea until you think about the fact that bodybuilding is the only sport where professional athletes consistently die younger than their non-athlete peers, often considerably so. Steroids are not fun get big muscle candy, they thoroughly wreck your body and then you die.

15155 2y ago
Olympian competitors using PEDs aren't running around on vast amounts of aromatase inhibitors and diuretics to completely eliminate all water from their bodies - this is practically standard in pro bodybuilding. Powerlifters don't die nearly as frequently and it's largely because aesthetic dryness isn't required. Olympians also aren't explicitly trying to obtain mass as a goal and wouldn't customarily be walking around at 5'10"/300lbs (for instance - extrapolate) as a bodybuilder might in their off-season. Excess mass is usually detrimental in most Olympic sports and is avoided. Being medically obese, regardless of body composition, is tough on the human heart - add in extreme/forced dehydration, stimulants, and possibly recreational drugs, and you have a recipe for early expiration.
Der_Einzige 2y ago
That's part of the fun though! You can setup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_pool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_pool and/or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market to make a fat profit off of betting on their life expectancy. Folks who would participate embrace the "live hard, die young" mantra. We love folks who do this in our society. James Dean is still the coolest man who ever lived, and a significant reason for that is that he joined the 27 club in a car crash.

tedunangst 2y ago

Yes, basketball with brass knuckles.

cooper_ganglia 2y ago
Yes, exactly! For most sports, the rule would be: Do not kill or injure your opponent. But for contact sports like basketball, I think a good brawl would really liven up the game! Brass knuckles is almost certainly too much, but the idea of knocking out all your opponents so they can't score would actually make basketball much more interesting and strategic. Basketball + Boxing would make a fun combo!
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  People think this is a joke or meme but the fact that modern Hockey is full on a blood sport indicates that this would be extremely popular.
  - cooper_ganglia 2y ago
    Oh for sure, I'm not joking at all actually! I've enjoyed watching chess-boxing before, I figured putting boxing into other sports that are actually physical would at the very least be entertaining! We've had the same sports for so long, let's spice it, do some fun fusion stuff, haha
- Someone 2y ago
  > But for contact sports like basketball Basketball isn’t really a contact sport, is it? With a few exceptions, making contact results in a personal foul (https://official.nba.com/rule-no-12-fouls-and-penalties/#foultypes https://official.nba.com/rule-no-12-fouls-and-penalties/#fou...)

eCa 2y ago

If you have kids, would you want them to compete in that?

tonymet 2y ago

at least with biking we already have MotoGP

B1FF_PSUVM 2y ago

I think it was Orson Scott Card who wrote a story about that. I seem to remember it included boxers with their brains below the belt. (Can't find it, I think it was in Omni magazine in the 1980s)

CamperBob2 2y ago

Likewise, I've always thought that baseball would be a lot more interesting to watch if each player were issued a handgun with a single bullet.

livueta 2y ago
Sounds like the plot of a Fukumoto Nobuyuki manga.

arp242 2y ago

Okay, so I will show up with my Kawasaki Z750 and win everything.