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I can't take the US cracking down on Chinese intellectual property theft seriously when we've been moving all of our manufacturing to China since the 1990s with

I can't take the US cracking down on Chinese intellectual property theft seriously when we've been moving all of our manufacturing to China since the 1990s with the full help and support of the US government. There's nothing a random researcher could steal that could do a fraction of the amount of damage that that economic policy did to the US economy and society.

modo_mario 2y ago
I notably remembered a story that ran across several vlogs of some guy that went to an american company to have his patented invention put on the shelves. They'd handle manufacturing and all that in cooperation with a chinese manufacturer. The deal fell trough. Later he found the deal on the shelves in wallmart. Made in china. The original company or at least the people that answered acted like they didn't know of anything but he dug deep and found that no.... He wasn't being cheated out of his IP by some chinese manufacturer that ran with the design. That factory had no clue that they were breaking any law. The original American company had gone behind his back. I also remember similar stories about crying of backstabbing and IP theft in China from some US company that was kickstarting. (I don't remember if it was an actual kickstarter campaign or bigger money involved) Turns out some later digging showed their bs was the clear reason for the broken ties and they had signed off IP and sales rights to try and squeeze out a cheaper deal. (If they suddenly reneged on their large orders the chinese manufacturer could sell the stock themselves and continue with the new dies they'd made and machine they'd bought for the deal) It's real damn easy to pin everything on china with the language and distance barrier and they definitely do some heinous shit but disappointingly often enough it seems like our own doing here in Europe or the US coated in stereotypes or geopolitical rhetoric.
- akira2501 2y ago
  > That factory had no clue that they were breaking any law. The violation of the law occurred when they shipped it internationally. I doubt they were "clueless" about the potential problems involved. I seriously doubt the receiver of the goods was either.
  - modo_mario 2y ago
    The receiver of the goods was the American company he initially wanted to team up with for production and sales.
akira2501 2y ago
> with the full help and support of the US government. You think the government just does this of it's own accord? It's a captured entity. There's nothing to "take seriously" to begin with.

modo_mario 2y ago

I notably remembered a story that ran across several vlogs of some guy that went to an american company to have his patented invention put on the shelves. They'd handle manufacturing and all that in cooperation with a chinese manufacturer. The deal fell trough. Later he found the deal on the shelves in wallmart. Made in china. The original company or at least the people that answered acted like they didn't know of anything but he dug deep and found that no.... He wasn't being cheated out of his IP by some chinese manufacturer that ran with the design. That factory had no clue that they were breaking any law. The original American company had gone behind his back. I also remember similar stories about crying of backstabbing and IP theft in China from some US company that was kickstarting. (I don't remember if it was an actual kickstarter campaign or bigger money involved) Turns out some later digging showed their bs was the clear reason for the broken ties and they had signed off IP and sales rights to try and squeeze out a cheaper deal. (If they suddenly reneged on their large orders the chinese manufacturer could sell the stock themselves and continue with the new dies they'd made and machine they'd bought for the deal) It's real damn easy to pin everything on china with the language and distance barrier and they definitely do some heinous shit but disappointingly often enough it seems like our own doing here in Europe or the US coated in stereotypes or geopolitical rhetoric.

akira2501 2y ago
> That factory had no clue that they were breaking any law. The violation of the law occurred when they shipped it internationally. I doubt they were "clueless" about the potential problems involved. I seriously doubt the receiver of the goods was either.
- modo_mario 2y ago
  The receiver of the goods was the American company he initially wanted to team up with for production and sales.

akira2501 2y ago

> with the full help and support of the US government. You think the government just does this of it's own accord? It's a captured entity. There's nothing to "take seriously" to begin with.