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For those wondering what egregious motor doping (probably) looks like, here's an extremely famous (and some would say obvious) example of it: https://www.youtu

For those wondering what egregious motor doping (probably) looks like, here's an extremely famous (and some would say obvious) example of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6z7uUe0tVA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6z7uUe0tVA For those not familiar with Tom Boonen, Cancellara effortlessly spinning up the Kapelmuur and putting in so much time that the chase helicopter can't even find him would be like beating Usain Bolt in the 100m by 5 seconds.

jeffbee 2y ago
Nobody has ever shown that Cancellara was cheating there. Maybe he's just a monster. When Joop Zoetemelk casually disappeared from the front of the pack in the 1985 World Cycling Championship nobody could believe it because Joop was 40 years old. Nevertheless, he did it, and there was no stealth motor technology at the time.
- renewiltord 2y ago
  So far, with cycling, P(discovered cheating later | outrageous) ~ 1. Some people will believe that when they go indoors the sun stops shining because there is no longer any proof. It's certainly a strict way to seek one's knowledge. Others have a different view.
scheme271 2y ago
Yeah, except for Boonen is a sprinter and a hill climb even a short very steep one is probably the worst terrain for him. Cancellara isn't a climber but as a time trial specialist, he's a lot better suited for the kapelmuur than Boonen. And cancellara is better at descending as well.
- oksurewhynot 2y ago
  Ah yes Tom Boonen, famously ill suited to the flandrian classics
  - hondo77 2y ago
    Yes, Tom Boonen was ill-suited for going up an 18% grade.
matsemann 2y ago
I don't buy your comparison with bolt. This is just a video showing someone exploding? Happens all the time. They're riding at the limit for long, and then when one can't handle it anymore the difference is stark.
- bjoli 2y ago
  Boonen said himself that he was having no issues there. You could probably find that hill and estimate their watt output. I wouldn't be surprised if Cancelaara is in excess of 1400w for short parts of that hill.

jeffbee 2y ago

Nobody has ever shown that Cancellara was cheating there. Maybe he's just a monster. When Joop Zoetemelk casually disappeared from the front of the pack in the 1985 World Cycling Championship nobody could believe it because Joop was 40 years old. Nevertheless, he did it, and there was no stealth motor technology at the time.

renewiltord 2y ago
So far, with cycling, P(discovered cheating later | outrageous) ~ 1. Some people will believe that when they go indoors the sun stops shining because there is no longer any proof. It's certainly a strict way to seek one's knowledge. Others have a different view.

scheme271 2y ago

Yeah, except for Boonen is a sprinter and a hill climb even a short very steep one is probably the worst terrain for him. Cancellara isn't a climber but as a time trial specialist, he's a lot better suited for the kapelmuur than Boonen. And cancellara is better at descending as well.

oksurewhynot 2y ago
Ah yes Tom Boonen, famously ill suited to the flandrian classics
- hondo77 2y ago
  Yes, Tom Boonen was ill-suited for going up an 18% grade.

matsemann 2y ago

I don't buy your comparison with bolt. This is just a video showing someone exploding? Happens all the time. They're riding at the limit for long, and then when one can't handle it anymore the difference is stark.

bjoli 2y ago
Boonen said himself that he was having no issues there. You could probably find that hill and estimate their watt output. I wouldn't be surprised if Cancelaara is in excess of 1400w for short parts of that hill.