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> Everyone should attempt to start a small business or a side consulting gig. Failing that, you should strive to make it to VP-suite Utter horse shit. I want t

by wepple 2y ago

> Everyone should attempt to start a small business or a side consulting gig. Failing that, you should strive to make it to VP-suite Utter horse shit. I want to earn enough to live without too many worries, and spend time with friends and family. Being able to leave at 5 is irreplaceable

riehwvfbk 2y ago
I don't think there are many places in tech where an employee can leave at 5 and expect to keep their job.
- wepple 2y ago
  I politely disagree. If you think “hours spent at desk” correlates with performance, I don’t really know what to tell you. I do work late, and over my career have absolutely pulled all nighters and weekends and been on the redeye, but that’s when I stretch or flex, and it’s simply not sustainable.
- The_Colonel 2y ago
  Of course there are. In my 20 years of experience I've never worked in a place which would expect people to work overtime. (this wasn't in my selection criteria BTW)
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  There absolutely are, but they aren't startups.
- ghaff 2y ago
  I've always been somewhat flexible, especially when traveling, but I've pretty much never worked super-long days as a routine.
- aprdm 2y ago
  Not true at all.
- zeendo 2y ago
  You've been brainwashed.
- seattle_spring 2y ago
  Ironically, it's only junior engineers that haven't learned how to say "no" that I've seen hold this opinion.
- wojciii 2y ago
  Most of people I know work 37 hour weeks and use sone kind of flex system where hours above 37 per week are saved and spent at later time. The only person keeping track of your time is yourself. Isn't socialism great? I don't work for free and neither should you.
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IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago
As an entrepreneur, you can leave anytime you want, but of course, you can't leave the responsibility aside. With an employer not offering remote, you can set your own rules around it. You can work from Bali, if you want and your customers are OK with it. But i agree , the small business route is certainly not for everyone.
tracerbulletx 2y ago
Not to mention the existence of society literally depends on massive large coordinated efforts. It would be completely impractical to operate a society where everyone was an independent small business owner. Imagine trying to operate the global logistics system, or plan, build and operate off-shore oil wells. Being part of a team is a valid and honorable thing.

by wepple 2y ago

riehwvfbk 2y ago

I don't think there are many places in tech where an employee can leave at 5 and expect to keep their job.

wepple 2y ago
I politely disagree. If you think “hours spent at desk” correlates with performance, I don’t really know what to tell you. I do work late, and over my career have absolutely pulled all nighters and weekends and been on the redeye, but that’s when I stretch or flex, and it’s simply not sustainable.
The_Colonel 2y ago
Of course there are. In my 20 years of experience I've never worked in a place which would expect people to work overtime. (this wasn't in my selection criteria BTW)
SoftTalker 2y ago
There absolutely are, but they aren't startups.
ghaff 2y ago
I've always been somewhat flexible, especially when traveling, but I've pretty much never worked super-long days as a routine.
aprdm 2y ago
Not true at all.
zeendo 2y ago
You've been brainwashed.
seattle_spring 2y ago
Ironically, it's only junior engineers that haven't learned how to say "no" that I've seen hold this opinion.
wojciii 2y ago
Most of people I know work 37 hour weeks and use sone kind of flex system where hours above 37 per week are saved and spent at later time. The only person keeping track of your time is yourself. Isn't socialism great? I don't work for free and neither should you.

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IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago

As an entrepreneur, you can leave anytime you want, but of course, you can't leave the responsibility aside. With an employer not offering remote, you can set your own rules around it. You can work from Bali, if you want and your customers are OK with it. But i agree , the small business route is certainly not for everyone.

tracerbulletx 2y ago

Not to mention the existence of society literally depends on massive large coordinated efforts. It would be completely impractical to operate a society where everyone was an independent small business owner. Imagine trying to operate the global logistics system, or plan, build and operate off-shore oil wells. Being part of a team is a valid and honorable thing.