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This is not what the parent wrote. Not having a yacht is not like “having a worse yacht by xyz criteria”, hence that comparison just does not work. There is al

This is not what the parent wrote. Not having a yacht is not like “having a worse yacht by xyz criteria”, hence that comparison just does not work. There is always a family. I personally agree with the parent here, it might be helpful to read the article again.

jjk166 2y ago
Okay fine. Rich people say your car doesn't need to be a Lamborghini, a Toyota Corolla is fine. Yet, rich people buy Lamborghinis. A Toyota Corolla is a worse car by xyz criteria. Clearly having a better car is very important for becoming and staying rich, and the wealthy are undermining the poor with their "you don't need a sports car" posturing. I think it would be helpful for you to reread the article, specifically: > Norms were loosened around being an absentee father. So more men took the option. > But nobody wants to admit it because it upsets people. > Instead, we retreat to discussions of poverty and economics because talking about family and parenting makes people feel weird and judgmental. > But young men will only do what’s expected of them. > And a lot did use to be expected. There were social norms to work hard, provide, take care of loved ones, and so on. > Today, these norms have largely dissolved. > Young men have responded accordingly.
- illiac786 2y ago
  I think you misunderstood, or I’m a little male lost in what your point is: there is no causality between owning an expensive car and being rich. There is evidence pointing to otherwise for (whole) nuclear families and being rich(er). Secondly, doing as is expected of them and “not stepping up” is not really the same thing, is it? Almost the opposite, actually, stepping up is doing what is expected of you, with some emphasis on this being hard.
- foverzar 2y ago
  > Yet, rich people buy Lamborghinis. Do they really? Seems more like a case for wannabe rich people.

jjk166 2y ago

Okay fine. Rich people say your car doesn't need to be a Lamborghini, a Toyota Corolla is fine. Yet, rich people buy Lamborghinis. A Toyota Corolla is a worse car by xyz criteria. Clearly having a better car is very important for becoming and staying rich, and the wealthy are undermining the poor with their "you don't need a sports car" posturing. I think it would be helpful for you to reread the article, specifically: > Norms were loosened around being an absentee father. So more men took the option. > But nobody wants to admit it because it upsets people. > Instead, we retreat to discussions of poverty and economics because talking about family and parenting makes people feel weird and judgmental. > But young men will only do what’s expected of them. > And a lot did use to be expected. There were social norms to work hard, provide, take care of loved ones, and so on. > Today, these norms have largely dissolved. > Young men have responded accordingly.

illiac786 2y ago
I think you misunderstood, or I’m a little male lost in what your point is: there is no causality between owning an expensive car and being rich. There is evidence pointing to otherwise for (whole) nuclear families and being rich(er). Secondly, doing as is expected of them and “not stepping up” is not really the same thing, is it? Almost the opposite, actually, stepping up is doing what is expected of you, with some emphasis on this being hard.
foverzar 2y ago
> Yet, rich people buy Lamborghinis. Do they really? Seems more like a case for wannabe rich people.