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I really feel you are grasping straws there. Motorola is only defending itself against Microsoft's patent attack.

by air 14y ago

mbreese 14y ago
Except, as far as I know, Motorola is leveraging FRAND, standards necessary patents and Microsoft wasn't. There is a large difference.
- pgeorgi 14y ago
  How comes that the VFAT patent (held my Microsoft) is not considered FRAND? After all, it's part of the UEFI specs, SD card specs, and so on. And what about the new exFAT stuff (required for some of the newer SD specs, SDXC or something like that)? Microsoft certainly leverages those (esp. the VFAT stuff) against Linux in general, and Android specifically.
  - mbreese 14y ago
    It is all about the dtandards body. I don't know which orgs are responsible for UEFI specs and SD format specs. It's up to the standards body to demand FRAND licensing. There aren't any international standards that demand a vfat file system, are there? Are the vfat patents still in force, because I haven't payed anyone for those on any of my Linux systems. Is SD an ISO standard or just a consortium standard? (I don't know) I'm not trying to say Microsoft has the cleanest hands with respect to patents, but in this case, it seems clear cut.
    - fpgeek 14y ago
      Quoting from Wikipedia (they link to the lawsuit): "In October 2010, Microsoft filed a patent infringement lawsuit against Motorola alleging several patents (including two of the FAT32 file system patents) were not licensed for use in the Android operating system." If you think these patents are valid and that Microsoft should be permitted to demand licensing for them despite the direct connection to the monopoly they abused... well, I hope you don't use FAT32 on any of your Linux systems or that you're planning to call up someone in Redmond ASAP.
  - fpgeek 14y ago
    The VFAT patent isn't FRAND because it was just a de-facto standard that became popular because it was compatible with over 95% of desktop and laptop computers at one point in time. Of course, you'd think that a convicted monopolist might have some obligations with respect to licensing patents essential to de-facto standards created by the same monopoly power. In today's world, unfortunately, you'd be wrong.
- vidarh 14y ago
  There might be a difference legally, but that doesn't mean Microsofts behavior still isn't far more disgusting.

I really feel you are grasping straws there. Motorola is only defending itself against Microsoft's patent attack.

by air 14y ago

I really feel you are grasping straws there. Motorola is only defending itself against Microsoft's patent attack.

Except, as far as I know, Motorola is leveraging FRAND, standards necessary patents and Microsoft wasn't. There is a large difference.

pgeorgi 14y ago
How comes that the VFAT patent (held my Microsoft) is not considered FRAND? After all, it's part of the UEFI specs, SD card specs, and so on. And what about the new exFAT stuff (required for some of the newer SD specs, SDXC or something like that)? Microsoft certainly leverages those (esp. the VFAT stuff) against Linux in general, and Android specifically.
- mbreese 14y ago
  It is all about the dtandards body. I don't know which orgs are responsible for UEFI specs and SD format specs. It's up to the standards body to demand FRAND licensing. There aren't any international standards that demand a vfat file system, are there? Are the vfat patents still in force, because I haven't payed anyone for those on any of my Linux systems. Is SD an ISO standard or just a consortium standard? (I don't know) I'm not trying to say Microsoft has the cleanest hands with respect to patents, but in this case, it seems clear cut.
  - fpgeek 14y ago
    Quoting from Wikipedia (they link to the lawsuit): "In October 2010, Microsoft filed a patent infringement lawsuit against Motorola alleging several patents (including two of the FAT32 file system patents) were not licensed for use in the Android operating system." If you think these patents are valid and that Microsoft should be permitted to demand licensing for them despite the direct connection to the monopoly they abused... well, I hope you don't use FAT32 on any of your Linux systems or that you're planning to call up someone in Redmond ASAP.
- fpgeek 14y ago
  The VFAT patent isn't FRAND because it was just a de-facto standard that became popular because it was compatible with over 95% of desktop and laptop computers at one point in time. Of course, you'd think that a convicted monopolist might have some obligations with respect to licensing patents essential to de-facto standards created by the same monopoly power. In today's world, unfortunately, you'd be wrong.
vidarh 14y ago
There might be a difference legally, but that doesn't mean Microsofts behavior still isn't far more disgusting.