3 ms·

That specific phrase "drastically lower our population very quickly" is very interesting because it appeared as exactly those words in the last article about th

That specific phrase "drastically lower our population very quickly" is very interesting because it appeared as exactly those words in the last article about this paper that appeared here yesterday: http://www.sfu.ca/pamr/media-releases/2012/study-predicts-imminent-irreversible-planetary-collapse.html http://www.sfu.ca/pamr/media-releases/2012/study-predicts-im... I made some comments about that exact wording and was criticized because that phrase as it is is not in the original paper, but was in the press release about the paper, a press release apparently written by the paper's authors since it gives them as contacts. And here the phrase, not from the actual paper, appears in yet another alarmist article claiming that total irreversible planetary doom is certain if purges do not begin.

mkramlich 14y ago
> And here the phrase, not from the actual paper, appears in yet another ALARMIST article claiming that total irreversible planetary doom is CERTAIN if PURGES do not begin. I put three key words in bold above. But I want to focus on this: "doom is certain if purges do not begin." Please point me to where that was said, either in the paper itself or in the co-author's summary. You don't be able to because it doesn't exist. They didn't say that. You said that. I just grepped for "purge" in the paper and in the summary and article you linked to above, and they both yielded 0 results. The paper: http://www.stanford.edu/group/hadlylab/pdfs/Barnoskyetal2012.pdf http://www.stanford.edu/group/hadlylab/pdfs/Barnoskyetal2012... ? I would argue that your comment -- where you falsely accused them of claiming that doom is certain if purges do not begin --- is the one being alarmist. I am certain of that. :P Also, strictly speaking, one possible explanation for why you might be seeing a seemingly growing number of recent "alarmist" articles about the climate & population impact, etc., is because, perhaps, the folks who are studying these areas are actually becoming increasingly alarmed. If that's happening, and they're sharing that with us, that's a good thing. "I wish that darn burglar alarm would stop going off every few weeks!" Well, are you more concerned about the inconvenience of repeatedly hearing the alarm, or that your house keeps getting robbed? :) Let's err on the side of the latter case, if any.

mkramlich 14y ago

> And here the phrase, not from the actual paper, appears in yet another ALARMIST article claiming that total irreversible planetary doom is CERTAIN if PURGES do not begin. I put three key words in bold above. But I want to focus on this: "doom is certain if purges do not begin." Please point me to where that was said, either in the paper itself or in the co-author's summary. You don't be able to because it doesn't exist. They didn't say that. You said that. I just grepped for "purge" in the paper and in the summary and article you linked to above, and they both yielded 0 results. The paper: http://www.stanford.edu/group/hadlylab/pdfs/Barnoskyetal2012.pdf http://www.stanford.edu/group/hadlylab/pdfs/Barnoskyetal2012... ? I would argue that your comment -- where you falsely accused them of claiming that doom is certain if purges do not begin --- is the one being alarmist. I am certain of that. :P Also, strictly speaking, one possible explanation for why you might be seeing a seemingly growing number of recent "alarmist" articles about the climate & population impact, etc., is because, perhaps, the folks who are studying these areas are actually becoming increasingly alarmed. If that's happening, and they're sharing that with us, that's a good thing. "I wish that darn burglar alarm would stop going off every few weeks!" Well, are you more concerned about the inconvenience of repeatedly hearing the alarm, or that your house keeps getting robbed? :) Let's err on the side of the latter case, if any.