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I sincerely hope not. I have incisor teeth passed down to me from generation upon generation of my previous kin all the way back to my stoneage ancestors. Inc

by reify 2y ago

I sincerely hope not. I have incisor teeth passed down to me from generation upon generation of my previous kin all the way back to my stoneage ancestors. Incisors are specifically designed for tearing and ripping meat. I eat real meat!

ofalkaed 2y ago
Cows have incisors, should cows also eat real meat? Incisors are more for cutting than tearing, canines do the tearing but human canines are too short to effectively tear. Cows also have canines. I would give cultivated meat a try but I don't see it becoming a staple of my diet. A hamburger sounds good about now.
- InfiniteRand 2y ago
  Don't kid yourself Jimmy, if a cow ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about.
  - VMG 2y ago
    aren't they bred to be very docile?
    - chucksta 2y ago
      Troy McClure - Simpsons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAxjqAfwfyI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAxjqAfwfyI
guhcampos 2y ago
I'm a carnivore, but that's a very weak argument. Even if it were true - it isn't, incisors are for cutting grass and fruits too - humans are more than anything, adaptable, and our survival and evolution sits on the top of that adaptability. We are who we are because, between other things, we eat whatever is available and plenty. If meat becomes a luxury product, and/or becomes even more dangerous to the environment to the point it's even less sustainable, the proper naturalist argument would be we shall need to adapt and stop eating meat altogether. Às I said, though, I'm quite fond of my Picanha, and sincerely hope I can get to eat a sustainable version of it at some point in my life so I can do it with a bit less of a guilt.
Beijinger 2y ago
"I eat real meat!" Cultivated meat IS real meat from meat cells, it is not a meat imitation based on soy, wheat or whatever. Potentially much safer. Think of dead zombie disease or suspected cancer risk of beef. https://www.gesundheitsindustrie-bw.de/en/article/news/new-pathogens-in-beef-and-cows-milk-contributing-to-the-risk-of-cancer https://www.gesundheitsindustrie-bw.de/en/article/news/new-p... https://publichealth.gmu.edu/news/2024-03/should-you-be-worried-about-zombie-deer https://publichealth.gmu.edu/news/2024-03/should-you-be-worr... Why do animals have to suffer for our meat supply? “As long as there are slaughter houses there will always be battlefields.” ― Leo Tolstoy (The quote sounds batter in other languages, since battlefields are "slaughter fields") Best, Beijinger, not a vegetarian
- silon42 2y ago
  My dad preferably (to meat) eats cartilage, collagene, etc... off the bones (using a knife)... his dog then eats whatever is left. Anyone working on that?
- dotancohen 2y ago
  Proverbs that rely on word play are fun, but not profound.
- CuriouslyC 2y ago
  Animals are part of this thing called the cycle of life that has been going on since near the beginning of the earth and will go on long after humanity has faded to dust. Being eaten is normal, it's part of how ecosystems are regulated, and everything dies anyhow so why not be a meal on the way out so that something else can live. If you want to direct your rage somewhere, direct it at the people who force these animals into concentration camp like environments to maximize production. That's the true evil, not eating meat.
  - Beijinger 2y ago
    True, but I hoped we could become more than animals in the future.
trhway 2y ago
why do you think that cultivated meat would ultimately be different? It will definitely be more customizable - Kobe, Angus, Wagyu - just select the corresponding option in the app. And i see at some point convergence of technologies - human transplant growing would be pretty much the same tech, just the options in the app would be different, like how much kevlar to add into the heart muscle.
Larrikin 2y ago
Cool. The strongest argument for a boring diet is your teeth.
- a-french-anon 2y ago
  "Boring"? Small lapsus, maybe? I mean, I know veganism is quite fashionable in some circles, but still.
- CuriouslyC 2y ago
  Yeah, the people who have a more diverse diet are the ones with a "boring" diet. Interesting logic there friend.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    (1) Are meat diets really any more diverse? If you 1-1 substituted chicken for quorn, beef for soy, etc., that seems basically the same to me. (2) If cultivated meat becomes affordable, it's actually made of meat. The same stuff, just from a vat rather than a body. This can easily be much more diverse, because suddenly all the endangered species, a few extinct species, and human flesh(!) legally get on the menu.
    - CuriouslyC 2y ago
      If the variety of foods you consume is the diversity of your diet, how can a diet that willfully excludes a large number of possible choices be more diverse? Whatever diversity you think your diet has, add meat and eggs and it's more diverse. So you'd rather have a giant industrial facility with vats where people toil away in artificial light, than a beautiful natural field with wild grasses and animals who get to enjoy living a portion of their natural existences? Pretty ironic to think that to save cows from suffering, vegans would cause cows to become nearly extinct.
      - ben_w 2y ago
        > If the variety of foods you consume is the diversity of your diet, how can a diet that willfully excludes a large number of possible choices be more diverse? If you replace a D6 with a D20, you have a more diverse range of numbers. If you take a D6 and add 3 pips to each face, you don't have reduced diversity despite having excluded the numbers 1-3. I was replying to the claim of reduced diversity, so substituting is sufficient. Quorn and a few others would not be available options (at all, and certainly not in supermarkets with limited shelf space) if not from people trying to introduce new things to replace old things. > So you'd rather have a giant industrial facility with vats where people toil away in artificial light, than a beautiful natural field with wild grasses and animals who get to enjoy living a portion of their natural existences? First: You mentioned eggs before. Battery chickens are worse than your attempt to portray vats as dystopian. Second: We've had vats since we began deliberately making alcohol. "Toiling" implies it's a task people would be forced to do rather than, y'know, just a job. > Pretty ironic to think that to save cows from suffering, vegans would cause cows to become nearly extinct. First, some will be kept as pets. Second: even if they did as you say, the goal is to end suffering. I could do an equivalent and opposite rhetorical flourish to yours with cows, who are forcibly impregnated from bovine puberty to bovine equivalent of menopause, most of their children taken from them and slaughtered, and the whole time their udders ache from generations of selective breeding to our ends rather than their own, relieving themselves by walking into automatic milking machines. When they reach the end of their economically useful life, they too are shot in the head by a bolt gun intended to knock them unconscious — but if it doesn't, who gets blamed for the cow's suffering as they are hooked into a conveyor belt towards a chainsaw, watching helplessly as all who came before are ripped and sliced apart? I comsume milk and milk derivatives when I don't remember that; so probably not for the next week.
ben_w 2y ago
I've had five teeth removed because my mouth is too small. Kept one and turned it into a necklace.
Galicarnax 2y ago
Tell that to gorillas.
NoGravitas 2y ago
Oh, yes, look at the incisors on a rabbit for instance. Huge, clearly rabbits are terrifying predators.
- ben_w 2y ago
  I remember that documentary. The one with the Famous Historian. ;)

by reify 2y ago

ofalkaed 2y ago

Cows have incisors, should cows also eat real meat? Incisors are more for cutting than tearing, canines do the tearing but human canines are too short to effectively tear. Cows also have canines. I would give cultivated meat a try but I don't see it becoming a staple of my diet. A hamburger sounds good about now.

InfiniteRand 2y ago
Don't kid yourself Jimmy, if a cow ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about.
- VMG 2y ago
  aren't they bred to be very docile?
  - chucksta 2y ago
    Troy McClure - Simpsons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAxjqAfwfyI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAxjqAfwfyI

guhcampos 2y ago

I'm a carnivore, but that's a very weak argument. Even if it were true - it isn't, incisors are for cutting grass and fruits too - humans are more than anything, adaptable, and our survival and evolution sits on the top of that adaptability. We are who we are because, between other things, we eat whatever is available and plenty. If meat becomes a luxury product, and/or becomes even more dangerous to the environment to the point it's even less sustainable, the proper naturalist argument would be we shall need to adapt and stop eating meat altogether. Às I said, though, I'm quite fond of my Picanha, and sincerely hope I can get to eat a sustainable version of it at some point in my life so I can do it with a bit less of a guilt.

Beijinger 2y ago

"I eat real meat!" Cultivated meat IS real meat from meat cells, it is not a meat imitation based on soy, wheat or whatever. Potentially much safer. Think of dead zombie disease or suspected cancer risk of beef. https://www.gesundheitsindustrie-bw.de/en/article/news/new-pathogens-in-beef-and-cows-milk-contributing-to-the-risk-of-cancer https://www.gesundheitsindustrie-bw.de/en/article/news/new-p... https://publichealth.gmu.edu/news/2024-03/should-you-be-worried-about-zombie-deer https://publichealth.gmu.edu/news/2024-03/should-you-be-worr... Why do animals have to suffer for our meat supply? “As long as there are slaughter houses there will always be battlefields.” ― Leo Tolstoy (The quote sounds batter in other languages, since battlefields are "slaughter fields") Best, Beijinger, not a vegetarian

silon42 2y ago
My dad preferably (to meat) eats cartilage, collagene, etc... off the bones (using a knife)... his dog then eats whatever is left. Anyone working on that?
dotancohen 2y ago
Proverbs that rely on word play are fun, but not profound.
CuriouslyC 2y ago
Animals are part of this thing called the cycle of life that has been going on since near the beginning of the earth and will go on long after humanity has faded to dust. Being eaten is normal, it's part of how ecosystems are regulated, and everything dies anyhow so why not be a meal on the way out so that something else can live. If you want to direct your rage somewhere, direct it at the people who force these animals into concentration camp like environments to maximize production. That's the true evil, not eating meat.
- Beijinger 2y ago
  True, but I hoped we could become more than animals in the future.

trhway 2y ago

why do you think that cultivated meat would ultimately be different? It will definitely be more customizable - Kobe, Angus, Wagyu - just select the corresponding option in the app. And i see at some point convergence of technologies - human transplant growing would be pretty much the same tech, just the options in the app would be different, like how much kevlar to add into the heart muscle.

Larrikin 2y ago

Cool. The strongest argument for a boring diet is your teeth.

a-french-anon 2y ago
"Boring"? Small lapsus, maybe? I mean, I know veganism is quite fashionable in some circles, but still.
CuriouslyC 2y ago
Yeah, the people who have a more diverse diet are the ones with a "boring" diet. Interesting logic there friend.
- ben_w 2y ago
  (1) Are meat diets really any more diverse? If you 1-1 substituted chicken for quorn, beef for soy, etc., that seems basically the same to me. (2) If cultivated meat becomes affordable, it's actually made of meat. The same stuff, just from a vat rather than a body. This can easily be much more diverse, because suddenly all the endangered species, a few extinct species, and human flesh(!) legally get on the menu.
  - CuriouslyC 2y ago
    If the variety of foods you consume is the diversity of your diet, how can a diet that willfully excludes a large number of possible choices be more diverse? Whatever diversity you think your diet has, add meat and eggs and it's more diverse. So you'd rather have a giant industrial facility with vats where people toil away in artificial light, than a beautiful natural field with wild grasses and animals who get to enjoy living a portion of their natural existences? Pretty ironic to think that to save cows from suffering, vegans would cause cows to become nearly extinct.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      > If the variety of foods you consume is the diversity of your diet, how can a diet that willfully excludes a large number of possible choices be more diverse? If you replace a D6 with a D20, you have a more diverse range of numbers. If you take a D6 and add 3 pips to each face, you don't have reduced diversity despite having excluded the numbers 1-3. I was replying to the claim of reduced diversity, so substituting is sufficient. Quorn and a few others would not be available options (at all, and certainly not in supermarkets with limited shelf space) if not from people trying to introduce new things to replace old things. > So you'd rather have a giant industrial facility with vats where people toil away in artificial light, than a beautiful natural field with wild grasses and animals who get to enjoy living a portion of their natural existences? First: You mentioned eggs before. Battery chickens are worse than your attempt to portray vats as dystopian. Second: We've had vats since we began deliberately making alcohol. "Toiling" implies it's a task people would be forced to do rather than, y'know, just a job. > Pretty ironic to think that to save cows from suffering, vegans would cause cows to become nearly extinct. First, some will be kept as pets. Second: even if they did as you say, the goal is to end suffering. I could do an equivalent and opposite rhetorical flourish to yours with cows, who are forcibly impregnated from bovine puberty to bovine equivalent of menopause, most of their children taken from them and slaughtered, and the whole time their udders ache from generations of selective breeding to our ends rather than their own, relieving themselves by walking into automatic milking machines. When they reach the end of their economically useful life, they too are shot in the head by a bolt gun intended to knock them unconscious — but if it doesn't, who gets blamed for the cow's suffering as they are hooked into a conveyor belt towards a chainsaw, watching helplessly as all who came before are ripped and sliced apart? I comsume milk and milk derivatives when I don't remember that; so probably not for the next week.

ben_w 2y ago

I've had five teeth removed because my mouth is too small. Kept one and turned it into a necklace.

Galicarnax 2y ago

Tell that to gorillas.

NoGravitas 2y ago

Oh, yes, look at the incisors on a rabbit for instance. Huge, clearly rabbits are terrifying predators.

ben_w 2y ago
I remember that documentary. The one with the Famous Historian. ;)