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Could you elaborate on the process people versus product people?

basementcat 2y ago
I would argue the fabrication process people at Intel are core to their business. Without the ability to reliably manufacture chips, they're dead in the water.
- Joel_Mckay 2y ago
  You mean manufacturing "working chips" is supposed to be their business. It is just performance art with proofing wafers unless the designs work =3
bgmeister 2y ago
I assume they're referring to Steve Jobs' comments in this (Robert Cringely IIRC) interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4dCJJFuMsE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4dCJJFuMsE (not a great copy, but should be good enough)
- beacon294 2y ago
  Oh yeah, this got rehashed as builders versus talkers too. Yeah, there's a lot of this creative vibe type dividing. It's pretty complicated, I don't even think individual people operate the same when placed in a different context. Usually their output is a result of their incentives, so typically management failure or technical architect failure.
- Joel_Mckay 2y ago
  Partly true, Steve Jobs had a charismatic tone when describing these problems in public. Have a great day, =3
Joel_Mckay 2y ago
It is an old theory that accurately points out Marketing/Sales division people inevitably out-compete product innovation people in a successful firm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_exclusion_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_exclusion_principl... And yes, the Steve Jobs interview does document how this almost destroyed Apples core business. =)
- beacon294 2y ago
  Just to clarify do you mean employees marketing and selling their innovation skills or people literally in marketing and sales?
  - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
    Shameless self-promotion is usually not a problem in most commercial settings. Sad, but true... lol =) Letting Marketing/Finance people set technological product trajectories sooner or later becomes detrimental to large firms. i.e. the product line becomes disconnected from the consumers actual experience of utility, novelty, and perceived scarcity. =)

I would argue the fabrication process people at Intel are core to their business. Without the ability to reliably manufacture chips, they're dead in the water.

Joel_Mckay 2y ago
You mean manufacturing "working chips" is supposed to be their business. It is just performance art with proofing wafers unless the designs work =3

bgmeister 2y ago

I assume they're referring to Steve Jobs' comments in this (Robert Cringely IIRC) interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4dCJJFuMsE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4dCJJFuMsE (not a great copy, but should be good enough)

beacon294 2y ago
Oh yeah, this got rehashed as builders versus talkers too. Yeah, there's a lot of this creative vibe type dividing. It's pretty complicated, I don't even think individual people operate the same when placed in a different context. Usually their output is a result of their incentives, so typically management failure or technical architect failure.
Joel_Mckay 2y ago
Partly true, Steve Jobs had a charismatic tone when describing these problems in public. Have a great day, =3

Joel_Mckay 2y ago

It is an old theory that accurately points out Marketing/Sales division people inevitably out-compete product innovation people in a successful firm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_exclusion_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_exclusion_principl... And yes, the Steve Jobs interview does document how this almost destroyed Apples core business. =)

beacon294 2y ago
Just to clarify do you mean employees marketing and selling their innovation skills or people literally in marketing and sales?
- Joel_Mckay 2y ago
  Shameless self-promotion is usually not a problem in most commercial settings. Sad, but true... lol =) Letting Marketing/Finance people set technological product trajectories sooner or later becomes detrimental to large firms. i.e. the product line becomes disconnected from the consumers actual experience of utility, novelty, and perceived scarcity. =)