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> Indeed, one thing that happens after people dig that deep hole in the shield is it will fill with water sooner or later. The hydraulic conductivity of both c

> Indeed, one thing that happens after people dig that deep hole in the shield is it will fill with water sooner or later. The hydraulic conductivity of both considered sites (Revell, South Bruce) is quite low: * https://www.nwmo.ca/-/media/Reports-MASTER/Technical-reports/NWMO-TR-2023-07-Confidence-in-Safety---Revell-Site---2023-Update.ashx https://www.nwmo.ca/-/media/Reports-MASTER/Technical-reports... * https://www.nwmo.ca/-/media/Reports-MASTER/Technical-reports/NWMO-TR-2023-08-Confidence-in-Safety---South-Bruce-Site---2023-Update.ashx https://www.nwmo.ca/-/media/Reports-MASTER/Technical-reports... The repository will be >500m deep, and the geology at those depths is such that water penetrates it at a rate of a few centimetres per century. And then it would hit the human constructed structure, and then it'd have to penetrate storage flasks, and then it'd have to get through the metal bundles that hold the pellets. And only then it could it start dissolving/absorbing the nuclear stuff. And then it would have to go through all those layers again to escape the facility. > […] so maybe no one will notice the increasing lung cancer stats. From Geraldine Thomas, co-founder of the Chernobyl Tissue Bank, "Look at the science – smoking and obesity are more harmful than radiation" * https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/apr/26/obesity-smoking-more-dangerous-radiation https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/apr/26/obesity-... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldine_Thomas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldine_Thomas

Joel_Mckay 2y ago
Revell River is a watershed for local communities, and South Bruce is a farming community. Thus, expect to be sued by dozens of folks... Not “if” but “when” the site inevitably leaks like the identical facilities in the US and Germany. If it was such a great safe idea, why not install it in downtown New York or Washington? Good jobs program right... ;) Off topic: Chernobyl could have been a lot worse, and it was pure luck it could be somewhat contained. Note it was leaking due to water damage again.
- throw0101c 2y ago
  > Revell River is a watershed for local communities, and South Bruce is a farming community. Thus, expect to be sued by dozens of folks... Not “if” but “when” the site inevitably leaks like the identical facilities in the US and Germany. Given that the storage will be several hundred metres below the surface and the water table of (e.g.) the Bruce area is at ~35m: * http://home.waterprotection.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Mildmay_Well_Supply.pdf http://home.waterprotection.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Mi... Not sure what such an incident would really do. Especially since the Bruce nuclear plant is already storaging spent fuel on-site for about forty years, so it's not much different if that location is picked. > If it was such a great safe idea, why not install it in downtown New York or Washington? Good jobs program right... ;) Sure. Things are currently held on-site at nuclear plants, and they can continue to do so indefinitely IMHO. I'm in Toronto, ~50km from the Pickering plant, and I'd be fine with that. I good friend of mine has lived in Pickering all his life and doesn't give it a second thought. Heck, if OPG wants to build a spent fuel pool in my backyard I'd be happy to accept it: free year-round "ground-source" heating/cooling for me. * https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/ https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/ * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFRUL7vKdU8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFRUL7vKdU8
  - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
    > Not sure what such an incident would really do. 1. For the first 200 years water soluble radioactive salts can permeate into ground water over time 2. For most of the life cycle higher levels of Radon will be seeping up into peoples work areas, underground basements and parking structures. 3. Most storage facilities start falling apart even before they are finished being built >Heck, if OPG wants to build a spent fuel pool in my backyard I'd be happy to accept it Sounds about right, but like most people that deal with the industry they only think in terms of their own lifespan, and Simpsons paradox keeps those that die of cancer from participating in conversations. Every long term disposal facility has leaked radioactive waste, and that is very different from the irradiated pristine water from a maintained hermetic cooling system. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that policy decision. https://youtu.be/HHAD9rMvr8g?si=7kfvRa11BGsFEvE7&t=36 https://youtu.be/HHAD9rMvr8g?si=7kfvRa11BGsFEvE7&t=36 Have a great day, lol =3

Joel_Mckay 2y ago

Revell River is a watershed for local communities, and South Bruce is a farming community. Thus, expect to be sued by dozens of folks... Not “if” but “when” the site inevitably leaks like the identical facilities in the US and Germany. If it was such a great safe idea, why not install it in downtown New York or Washington? Good jobs program right... ;) Off topic: Chernobyl could have been a lot worse, and it was pure luck it could be somewhat contained. Note it was leaking due to water damage again.

throw0101c 2y ago
> Revell River is a watershed for local communities, and South Bruce is a farming community. Thus, expect to be sued by dozens of folks... Not “if” but “when” the site inevitably leaks like the identical facilities in the US and Germany. Given that the storage will be several hundred metres below the surface and the water table of (e.g.) the Bruce area is at ~35m: * http://home.waterprotection.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Mildmay_Well_Supply.pdf http://home.waterprotection.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Mi... Not sure what such an incident would really do. Especially since the Bruce nuclear plant is already storaging spent fuel on-site for about forty years, so it's not much different if that location is picked. > If it was such a great safe idea, why not install it in downtown New York or Washington? Good jobs program right... ;) Sure. Things are currently held on-site at nuclear plants, and they can continue to do so indefinitely IMHO. I'm in Toronto, ~50km from the Pickering plant, and I'd be fine with that. I good friend of mine has lived in Pickering all his life and doesn't give it a second thought. Heck, if OPG wants to build a spent fuel pool in my backyard I'd be happy to accept it: free year-round "ground-source" heating/cooling for me. * https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/ https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/ * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFRUL7vKdU8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFRUL7vKdU8
- Joel_Mckay 2y ago
  > Not sure what such an incident would really do. 1. For the first 200 years water soluble radioactive salts can permeate into ground water over time 2. For most of the life cycle higher levels of Radon will be seeping up into peoples work areas, underground basements and parking structures. 3. Most storage facilities start falling apart even before they are finished being built >Heck, if OPG wants to build a spent fuel pool in my backyard I'd be happy to accept it Sounds about right, but like most people that deal with the industry they only think in terms of their own lifespan, and Simpsons paradox keeps those that die of cancer from participating in conversations. Every long term disposal facility has leaked radioactive waste, and that is very different from the irradiated pristine water from a maintained hermetic cooling system. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that policy decision. https://youtu.be/HHAD9rMvr8g?si=7kfvRa11BGsFEvE7&t=36 https://youtu.be/HHAD9rMvr8g?si=7kfvRa11BGsFEvE7&t=36 Have a great day, lol =3